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Re: Cost to Replace Chainplates? Should I Walk Away?

For whatever it is worth / IMHO, the cost of Titanium is well offset by the "cost" either in money or your own time, of the installation, not to mention the greater strength it will have to accomplish their job, and save your rig from failure.

FYI, my wife and I lost our 50 footer 1000 miles out to sea on July 27th 2011, because our chainplates broke.

So, buy your chainplates wisely.... :-)
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Titnium are a waste of money unless you are going to be keeping the boat for a very long time. Even thenbe why bother? You still onlyand have ten to fifteen years on the rigging. Its just another wy to spendthe more $ then youi need. Unless your circumnaving or sailing theis southern. Ocean beefy 316 will be justa fine. Id recomend titanium too if i was a seller. Motr $ in my poket.c
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Re: Cost to Replace Chainplates? Should I Walk Away?

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Titanium is expensive in two ways: The metal itself, and machining it. A bolt will be expensive because of the threading and machining, in that sense it could almost be cheaper to cut (waterjet, plasma, whatever) a titanium chainplate than to thread titanium parts. Stainless is prone to crevice failure if it gets damp and stays damp--as chainplates are prone to do. Titanium doesn't have that problem. Then again, neither does bronze, which may be another consideration for you if the strength is high enough.
Access, interior trim or hull work, and whether the water damage has crept several yards beyond the chainplate, these are the things that can really push up the price way beyond the parts.
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-Hmmmm. I thought water jet cut absolutely razor clean edges? Hence the reason for water jet cutting recommendations on chain plates. I know the need to polish and then electropolish to remove stress risers after the cutting. Is your comment that water jet leaves rough edges conjecture or first hand? Jus wonderin. Thanks.
Waterjet does have the ability to cut that fine, and should do so, what I imagine they are talking about is plasma arc cutting, which leaves a nasty edge, but it is easily ground off. If the yard charges you $6k for doing chain plates you need to have them shot for theft.

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They should be made from flat bar, not cut out of plate with a jet.

Why do you say that?

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I live near Los Angeles but the boat is in state of WA. Intent -if I ok the purchase- is leave in WA for several mos. and purchase a WA cruising permit. Do a little work on and off. Sail south. Stop in Oregon for some days on way south and enjoy seafood. Pass Kalifornia completely without stopping ashore and go to a shipyard then marina in Ensenada for several mos. Return to CA after one year. I have retained a marine atty who is consulting me on this. You-know-why.
Actually I would like to know why.
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What is a WA cruising permit.

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Why do you say that?
Why not. Why would you go to the trouble and expense to WJ cut a chainplate out of a piece of plate instead of simply using a length of correctly sized flat bar?

If you have chains that are some obscure shape then yeah - WJ cutting is great but the vast majority of chains are simple flat bar, drilled as required.
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Why not look at someplace like this on the web and see if they have already made up your particular type and size?

Chainplates & Stemhead Fittings

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Re: Cost to Replace Chainplates? Should I Walk Away?

As i said titanium is not the way to go. Save yourself the time and $. 316 is fine dude. Bed it correctly and no worries for atleast 3 years. I dont know about your chainplates speific but mine are very easy to pulland check up close every year.
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As i said titanium is not the way to go. Save yourself the time and $. 316 is fine dude. Bed it correctly and no worries for atleast 3 years. I dont know about your chainplates speific but mine are very easy to pulland check up close every year.
How much is your rig worth? How much is your boat worth? And finally, how much is your life worth?

Compare those answers to how much would these titanium chainplates cost?

The person who started this thread claims he will be cruising across oceans for years. If he can afford to do that, I can only assume he can splurge a little on some TOP quality chainplates.

Most boats you would cross the Atlantic with are not that small that the chainplates can be easily pulled and inspected annually. Mine are very deeply installed into this boat.

WHY not spend the money for the best that todays' technology can provide for such an important part of your boat?

If you are on a hot dog and raman noodles budget, then besides "saving" on chainplates, perhaps you would do best to stay in an apartment... IMHO.

Nobody ever said Yachting is a cheap endeavor. IF they did, they were wrong.
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