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View Poll Results: Do you have a liferaft?
YES - For mostly bluewater sailing 11 22.92%
YES - For mostly coastal sailing 10 20.83%
NO - For mostly bluewater sailing 3 6.25%
NO - For mostly coastal sailing 19 39.58%
Considering gettting one 5 10.42%
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

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You seem to be stuck on the "why" of an event. In the event, the "whys and woulda, coulda, shoulda's" are irrelevant. It is the "if" one is preparing for. Or not.

Recently MarkJ began a thread on a multi-million dollar yacht that burned to the waterline, fortunately, while at anchor, shortly after a transatlantic passage. No one is certain of the cause, although electrics are suspected. Fortunately, all were able to abandon ship without injuries to other than their dignity and wardrobes (and the wallet of the owner). Had that fire erupted a few daze earlier, they'd have been far at sea and likely in shoot city absent a raft. Similarly, a few years ago some friends of ours returning from Isla Mujeres "hit something" in the night and promptly lost their rudder. Only very fast action saved the boat and it was very touch-and-go for several days at that.

The why's and woulda, coulda, shoulda's of an event are irrelevant to any but Monday Morning Quarterbacks and condescending self anointed "experts" although the after-action lesson's learned for avoidance/prevention are no doubt of value. Never-the-less, it is the If's that need be prepared for. The Why's are merely fodder for bar-side debate.

N'any case one can choose to prepare or choose not to. Different ships, Different Long Splices, eh?
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

Are you saying that these guys are wishing that they don't have a liferaft?
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

Yes, I have a 4 man Offshore Commander valise. It conveniently fits exactly in the cockpit sole, propped up on 2 x 4s (so water can get underneath to the scuppers). I store it in the main cabin and bring it up whenever going offshore. Being close to the pedestal, it could be deployed in seconds.
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

We have an offshore raft in a canister mounted on the stern rail. If a person singlehands and doesn't want a raft that is there choice. If there are crew on board the captain owes them the extra security provided by a raft and EPIRB. Not to have these because you keep up the maintenance on your boat falls somewhere between hubris and nonsense.
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

Hmmm.... no spot for "Portland Pudgy" on your survey. Yup, it's a liferaft, and it beats any of the (hopefully) inflatable options.

I have another angle I'd like to approch this from:
What benefit does a purpose-built liferaft really have over abandoning ship to your regular tender?

I don't think a $7,000 "offshore" liferaft, or my pudgy, or any small craft will save me from a force 11 storm where I have to abandon my boat. In a storm, my boat is my liferaft, and anything else is a hail Mary. But storms are not the only reason to abandon. What I REALLY FEAR, and prepare for as a reason to abandon, is sinking of the mothership by:

-Fire
-Collision with debris
-Collision with another vessel
-Collision with a whale

In all the above examples, your regular tender would work just fine so long as you had some supplies and some kind of sun shade. We are reading our pilot charts and staying away from areas like the Bearing Sea in January right?

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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

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One last thought, a life-raft and epirb make it way to easy to abandon a boat in a scary situation that more than likely the boat will survive.
Just my 2 cents which is all its worth
I'd disagree with that... My hunch is that the number of sailing yachts that have been abandoned in favor of a liferaft, in situations short of the yacht pretty much sinking from underneath the crew, is pitifully small...

On the other hand, the number of yachts left after grabbing an EPIRB or satphone to summon a transfer to a CG helo, or Carnival cruise liner or merchant ship, well... that's a whole different ballgame... :-)
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

That was an either or statement, i agree with you.
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

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On the other hand, the number of yachts left after grabbing an EPIRB or satphone to summon a transfer to a CG helo, or Carnival cruise liner or merchant ship, well... that's a whole different ballgame... :-)
Yep, if all you read is SN you would even think this is a common incident
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Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?

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On the other hand, the number of yachts left after grabbing an EPIRB or satphone to summon a transfer to a CG helo, or Carnival cruise liner or merchant ship, well... that's a whole different ballgame... :-)
Yep, if all you read is SN you would even think this is a common incident
I'm not saying the frequency with which such abandonments occur would meet most people's understanding of the word "common"...

But rather, that they're simply "more 'common' than they should be"... :-)

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