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dvuyxx 07-18-2013 01:42 PM

How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
I'm curious how many people have liferafts aboard? Are you primarily a coastal or bluewater sailor?

barefootnavigator 07-18-2013 01:46 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
My boat is my liferaft!

dvuyxx 07-18-2013 01:47 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
I just bought a used, service-able one for coastal cruising. It was a great deal, but is it overkill? I sail with small children ... seemed to make sense to me.

dvuyxx 07-18-2013 02:28 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barefootnavigator (Post 1061174)
My boat is my liferaft!

True! I meant a liferaft tethered to your big liferaft.

barefootnavigator 07-18-2013 02:46 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
Ok lets talk about it. I cant see any single reason why you wouldnt want a liferaft, **** happens. The real question is one likely to save you if you have a well maintained boat and are a prudent mariner. Sure there will be all the people who will give the one in a million examples of how a liferaft may have saved someone but for every single savior account there is also a loss account. Read adrift by Steven Calihan. Had he not had a liferaft he would have never written that book or had an ordeal at sea.

What will sink your boat other than lack of maintenance?

Huge storm, if your boat wont survive will your liferaft?

Hitting rocks, most likely poor seamanship, walk to shore.

Being rundown by other boat, good luck on surviving that.

Fire? Poor maintenance, poor seamanship.

rammed by whale? Seriously what are the odds?

hitting container, Scary thought but very unlikely and many well built boats have survived this.

I'm sure 99% of tragedy was owner operate fault but I still would carry one for a false sense of security if I could afford it but its not a priority to me. I prefer a good unsinkable hard dingy as it is always ready to go, that being said, I cant fir one on my boat so I carry an inflatable dingy which I hate. If you look at statistics more people would be saved by wearing helmets than by having a life-raft but I'm not wearing a helmet either.

One last thought, a life-raft and epirb make it way to easy to abandon a boat in a scary situation that more than likely the boat will survive.
Just my 2 cents which is all its worth

chef2sail 07-18-2013 03:08 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barefootnavigator (Post 1061223)
One last thought, a life-raft and epirb make it way to easy to abandon a boat in a scary situation that more than likely the boat will survive.
Just my 2 cents which is all its worth

That's absurb and what are you basing that on...a few media or SN stories your read online. A book you read.

We have a life raft valise, have it packed below. easily grabbed for easy rapid deployment. When we coastal cruise in the ocean we have it strapped on the foredeck. We also have an EPIRB and APBs for the vests.

So you think your VHF and wood dinghy would serve you well 10 miles offshore when your boat sank underneath you? Id rather be in my raft with my dinghy attached to it.

Abandoning ship is never an easy decision, and I have never had to do that thank god. I cant believe others abandon the safety of their boats with the cavalier attitude you attribute to them. In fact those who I have talked to have done so at the last moment when in extreme peril and the boat was lost.

The only talk I have ever heard of it being an easy way out is here by a few posters. Even then other like Doug Sabbatg didn't do it out of convenience.

We carry a raft/ EPIRB because we fell it is an added safety measure to prevent loss of life and let us live longer should we ever frightfully have to be rescued. No thought of the easy way way out. To suggest to others that that is the reason we or others carry them is irresponsible.

BTW...you are new to this game. Look around at the many sailors who are in your area who are serious offshore sailors, see how many have them as well as EPIRBS. Go up personally and ask them "is the reason they carry them so they can get off their boats as soon as it get " scary" as you described.". Have good tracks shoes on:):)

barefootnavigator 07-18-2013 03:15 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
I'm not sure what your comment is based on by mine is based on nearly 30 years spent at sea, I'm 45, not as much experience as as you but I have also worked as a marine corespondent for nautical news publications since 1987 so most of everything comes across my desk. I'll check back in another 100 years when I am as experienced as you :)

chef2sail 07-18-2013 03:27 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by barefootnavigator (Post 1061240)
I'm not sure what your comment is based on by mine is based on nearly 30 years spent at sea, I'm 45, not as much experience as as you but I have also worked as a marine corespondent for nautical news publications since 1987 so most of everything comes across my desk. I'll check back in another 100 years when I am as experienced as you :)

I apologize for citing a lack of your experience. Which marine publication do you work for. Have you ever posted these thoughts in it? Why don't you do that. I would be interested in how many offshore sailors think that having a life raft and EPIRB means they are more likely to abandon in a scary situation. Maybe I am in a minority and that's the "real" reason they have them, a false sense of security.

barefootnavigator 07-18-2013 03:29 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
You should probably read my post before commenting on it :) Start with the fist line and read it through.

svHyLyte 07-18-2013 04:09 PM

Re: How Many Have a Liferaft?
 
We carry a small valise raft in a stern locker with our bail-out bag attached. The gear is sized to allow my wife to launch the equipment without undue difficulty despite her small size in case I am injured, or worse, and unable to do so myself. Our boat is well prepared and maintained and I have over 60 years of sailing experience, on- and off-shore. I am reasonably confident that we will never need the raft yet, if we need it, its there, ready to go. I am sure that most that sail off-shore feel their boats are sturdy enough that they don't need a raft yet one never knows. I am sure that the owner of Lelia B, the well found Tarten 42 that sank off Ft. Myers during the Bone Island Regatta (to Key West) last month never expected to need his life-raft. No one knows what happened aboard the boat but it sank out from under the crew within 20 minutes of their discovery of water flooding the boat, before they could find, never-the-less staunch the inflow. Fortunately, they had a raft that the crew took to and, not long after, were picked up by another boat that responded to their May Day calls. Minor injuries and no loss of life. Absent the raft, who knows. Given the number of times we have had sharks investigate us while we sat becalmed in the Gulf of Mexico, I am really not interested in the possibility of floating around in a PFD waiting for a pick-up when we could be safely cocooned, if not entirely comfortable, in a raft. An ounce of prevention eh?

FWIW...


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