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cptmclark 07-29-2013 11:39 AM

Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
I think I've settled on Samson Trophy Braid 3/8 for a genoa sheet replacement on our Precision 23. So many choices, so little time. I've spend a whole day studying specs and qualities of ropes, and am about to pull the trigger. My trimmer complains about the strength needed to haul and hold the old ones, and I hope to make him happy with this. Also, It comes in a color that I'm looking for.

All of this to ask if there's any reason I should avoid Trophy Braid for this applicaion, or if there's something significantly better.

Is weight a significant factor on a 20 foot (including tailings) sheet line?

Thanks,

chucklesR 07-29-2013 11:47 AM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
Not in my opinion, no, weight isn't significant at that level.
Different folks have different values for significant. I don't think 1/10 of an ounce per will add signicant heel topside, or significant windage.

It's more about the 'hand' of the braid; and therein lies the significance. Some of the light weight uber strong new lines are so slippery you can't hand trim unless you have good gloves and grip.
So while sure, on your boat you could get double the price 1/4 uber braid and maybe gain .00001 knot of VMG you'd loose your trimmer and be out more money.

Assuming you are going for the basic 10 dollar trophy - is it worth it?

overbored 07-29-2013 11:52 AM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
trophy braid has good grip but is a bit hard on the hands. wear gloves and it is a good line for the price.

zz4gta 07-29-2013 12:42 PM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
It is a little tough on the hands. Trophy's cover doesn't last real long on a winch, but it'll work just fine. When easying the line quickly it can burn more than other double braids. A lot of dinghy sailors like it.

overbored 07-29-2013 01:10 PM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
take a look at XLS it is stronger, easier on the hands. better on the winch and cheaper. also a polyester double braid

cptmclark 07-29-2013 02:10 PM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
How does XLS compare to MLX? I'm told MLX has much less stretch, but which is easier on the hands, grippier on the winch and cleats normally? Other ideas.
I do appreciate all the input.

overbored 07-29-2013 02:29 PM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
MLX to me is slippery and hard to hold on to but I only used it when it was new and not worn in. we got rid of it way before it got worn in if it ever will. did not like it, slides right through your hans

overbored 07-29-2013 02:38 PM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
on your 23' boat 1/4" would be strong enough but you are should use line for it's comfort and grip xls is the best for this if you want less stretch then go warpspeed

zz4gta 07-30-2013 12:59 PM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
No need to go top shelf on a 23 footer.

If you want to go fancy and mid grade, you have a few options.
Blended Single braids:
Bzzz line - tight line with a solid feel
Apex - more flexible and comfy, sizes run large, make sure your blocks will work with it.
Salsa - slick at first but breaks in nicely, sizes are true.
Swiftcord - runs a little thick and it's grippy but has good hand. A little tough to splice, and pricey.

IMHO I don't think you're looking for that kind of expense. Look into Regatta braid from NER. About the same price as sta-set, but a better hand. New England Ropes - Product Details

Blended Double braids:
Samson MLX
NER VPC

I'm using MLX on my mainsheet and really like it. It runs well, you can strip it, the cover is tighter so it's a bit harder to splice. I really like the colors as well. I think this made it on the boat in 2011 or 2012? Very little wear so far but not on a winch.

I'm using VPC as my primary jib sheets and have been pleased as well. We typically use winches and race the boat hard and they're holding up ok. Bought them in 2009. This year I flipped the cover around and "double ended them" as they were getting fuzzy.

No reason to go Gucci on sheets for a small boat. What's your budget?

Alex W 07-30-2013 01:19 PM

Re: Replacing 5/16 genoa sheets
 
I like XLS or NE Ropes Sta-Set pretty well for genoa sheets. It's comfortable stuff in the hand. 3/8" or so works well. I like to put an eye splice in the end (either with spliced in dyneema tails or just into the double braid) then attach it with a small soft shackle to get a fitting that isn't dangerous and that won't hang up on shrouds.

Trophy Braid has a very different casing that I don't like as much in the hand. It also absorbs water like nothing else, which means the sheets get pretty heavy if the lazy sheet ends up in the drink.

MLX is very expensive for this application.


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