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anchor weight question

Edit: Really I am just looking for what weight range I should be looking at and what is the least amount of chain can I safely get away with? Tartan 30 8500lbs




Looking for a new anchor. Trying to see what type would be best for me and how heavy. I'm in a Tartan 30 in lake st clair. I believe it is mostly a sand/muck bottom. Lots of folks in the local bayliner forum are suggesting a 33 lb rocna. What would your suggestions be?

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Re: anchor type question

You must buy a $500 new second gen anchor plus 200' of chain, and an electric windlass.

You couldn't possibly get by with the traditional anchors that have worked and been recommended for decades, like a CQR, Yachtsman, Danforth, etc. - which can now be bought used for $25-75. Your boat will break loose, hit someone else's boat, smash up on the rocks and explode, killing everyone within a 10 mile radius. I have been using a traditional anchor with three-strand nylon and a short chain for years without any problems, never dragging, but I was recently informed it was entirely due to luck and had nothing to do with my good judgment and seamanship.

It is also theoretically impossible that the marketing departments of the second gen anchor manufacturers would ever publish questionable test results or post threads on sailing forums without revealing their commercial interests, all to make a profit on a device that did not need to be reinvented.

Now, go ahead, spend $1,000 and put 300 lbs. of unnecessary weight in the bow of the boat where it hurts your performance the most...

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Re: anchor type question

Is there anything wrong with the anchor that you have or are you being pressured into buying something different?

I always heard that one should use a Danforth where I boat. I have a Delta that works wonderfully, even better than wonderfully sometimes. I'm not getting rid of it if it's working.
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Re: anchor type question

I dont currently own an anchor. Not sure what weight I should get mainly. I was originally considering a danforth but not sure how much weight I should get. I was considering getting 30' of chain also but am open to suggestion. My situation is one where I usually just do some day sailing and will rarely anchor anywhere but will sometime and its nice to have one for saftey sake. My boat is sensitive to front weight so the samllest amount that is still safe is preferable. Same with the chain. If I can get by with 5' all the better. Its why Im here asking.
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Re: anchor type question

Uh, oh. Here we go again. I'm putting on some popcorn. Anyone want some?

To the OP, here's my take on anchors and your situation.

--Traditional style anchors work.

--Some/many folks believe that new gen anchors may work better. (I fall in that camp. I don't have one, but that's because they don't fit my bow roller.)

--Do you need "better"? I don't know. My 33# genuine Bruce seems to do fine in the Chesapeake.

--Rocna/Manson/Mantus seem to be very close in performance, based on the posts on SailNet.

--Bottom line: I'd put more weight on what's working (and not working) for sailors in your area. I think anchoring (docking, mooring, etc.) varies by locality. Local knowledge is most relevant.

Have fun sailing! And anchoring!

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Re: anchor type question

and by the way.....I dont even own $1000 so no can do
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Re: anchor type question

uh oh sorry to open the can of works. Really all I need to know is what weight should I be looking at for a 30' tartan at 8500lbs? And how little of chain can I get away with. Never mind the type! Edit: I changed the name of the title for this thread.Edit:Unsuccessfully I guess

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Re: anchor type question

I question anyone who takes advice from the "Bayliner Forum".


The first question is:

What kind of bottom are you going to anchor in:
Mud? Sand? Rock?

Danforth anchors are just fine in mud, decent in sand, and not so good in rock. A Danforth anchor may be slow to re-set if the boat gets turned around by wind or current.

A Bruce anchor works pretty well in all 3, and usually re-sets a little better.

A Delta anchor sometimes lacks the fluke width necessary to hold well in very soft mud, especially if the anchor is under-sized for the boat. Otherwise, see: Bruce.

CQR anchors have a pivot point that is supposed to aid in re-setting and resisting becoming un-set. I am not a fan of these.

Danforth, Bruce and Delta are older model anchors that can be had for less money than the latest, hottest generation of anchors.

FWIW, my boat is very similar to yours. My typical anchoring conditions are mud, so I'm using a Danforth with 30 feet of slightly oversized chain, and 200 feet of 3/4" 3-strand nylon rode. I find that the oversized chain helps the anchor set more easily by keeping the angle of attack horizontal.

I consider my ground tackle to be "adequate" for week-ending. Not excessive or under-strength.
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Re: anchor type question

HOW HEAVY should one be for a tartan 30 that weighs 8500lbs? as stated, sand mud bottom. Whats the shortest length of chain I can safely get away with?
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