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Facnor flat deck FD230 furler

Is there anyone with experience or any independent tests or reviews on the Facnor Flat Deck furler?

I like the idea with a webbing band that is less likelly to get stuck, and the low build height that maximize the foresail luff and make it possible to have the sail cut close to the deck for good performance.

I don't see much info or reports on the reliability or hands on experience about this furler. I dont have any personal experience with furling sails so I am a little lost and pretty much in the hand of the sales reps. I don't like on a principal basis...

What size turnbuckle fits inside the FD230 drum?
What are the pros and cons of the Facnor FD furlers?
Which are the weak points in the design?
Is the webbing band sufficiently stiff?
Is it possible to furl under load or will the furler break?
How hard is it to furl?
Are you allowed/forced to use the winch?
Is this really as good as it seems compared to the more conventional competition?

I have a 42 ft yacht, 16.3 meter/10mm forestay, looking at the Facnor FD230.

There are some info on the facnor webpage:
A picture can be found by making a google image search on "facnor fd".

A pdf brochure can be found here
http://www.facnor.com/uk/products/he...fd_2013_uk.pdf


and a small video on youtube.
Facnor Flat Deck Furler - YouTube

Any comments are appreciated.

/Jonas

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This is very close to a cross post from another forum, but I have not received any replies after a couple of days, so I just guess that no one has any experience in the other forum.
I am sorry if I have broken any rules, please excuse me if so.
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Re: Facnor flat deck FD230 furler

We could take this in Norwegian...
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Is there anyone with experience or any independent tests or reviews on the Facnor Flat Deck furler?
I installed a FD230 in May 2012, used it for almost 2 seasons.
Did the install myself, except the wire terminals.
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I like the idea with a webbing band that is less likelly to get stuck, and the low build height that maximize the foresail luff and make it possible to have the sail cut close to the deck for good performance.

I don't see much info or reports on the reliability or hands on experience about this furler. I dont have any personal experience with furling sails so I am a little lost and pretty much in the hand of the sales reps. I don't like on a principal basis...
Facnor have made furlers for many years, the FD is an evolution from previous models.
You can even get conversion kit for the drum models.
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What size turnbuckle fits inside the FD230 drum?
Don't remember but you must terminate the bottom end of the headstay with a threaded terminal that fits into the body of the turnbuckle. It will have a BS that matches the head stay.
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What are the pros and cons of the Facnor FD furlers?
The pros:
  • You get more force when you start to furl compared with conventional drum furlers
  • No overrides with the furling rope on the drum
  • You can get the tack a little bit further down
Cons:
In use - have not found any
when the furling "rope" needs replacing you must get the right webbing/rope
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Which are the weak points in the design?
Haven't found any, AFAIK the bearings is the same as others from Facnor and the Top swivel is the same
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Is the webbing band sufficiently stiff?
Stiff for what?
It have never folded or fouled in any way.
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Is it possible to furl under load or will the furler break?
What kind of loads.
It's never a good idea to furl a heavy loaded sail
When I reef I ease the sheet and furl, no need to let the sail flog
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How hard is it to furl?
No - easy compared to my old (well maintained) Furlex, primarily the greater momentum because you have max diameter when you start furling
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Are you allowed/forced to use the winch?
Why?
If you need a winch to furl there is probably something wrong.
I have seen furling systems/headstays torn apart after using the winch to furl a sail with halyard wrap.
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Is this really as good as it seems compared to the more conventional competition?
I will never go back to a conventional furler
This summer I had to climb down into an anchor well in a Hanse 430 (not mine but a charter boat moored in the same guest harbor as we where in) to help clear override on the furling drum.
The same boat also had halyard wrap because someone at eased the halyard to much.
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I have a 42 ft yacht, 16.3 meter/10mm forestay, looking at the Facnor FD230.

There are some info on the facnor webpage:
A picture can be found by making a google image search on "facnor fd".

A pdf brochure can be found here
http://www.facnor.com/uk/products/he...fd_2013_uk.pdf


and a small video on youtube.
Facnor Flat Deck Furler - YouTube
Facnor Flat Deck Furler - YouTube

Any comments are appreciated.

/Jonas

ps
This is very close to a cross post from another forum, but I have not received any replies after a couple of days, so I just guess that no one has any experience in the other forum.
I am sorry if I have broken any rules, please excuse me if so.
The furler


The only problem I have had was the webbing jamming between the sheave and the side of the block-the first block used to get correct lead out of the furler. Replaced the block with a "trumpet" from Facnor and problem solved.
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Re: Facnor flat deck FD230 furler

I have Facnor continuous line furler and have used the Flat deck on a friends boat. they are both top of the line equipment. The Flat deck works great and the tack is a lot lower then it was with the old Hood furler. The continuous line model gets the tack down closer to the deck even further but cost slightly more.
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Re: Facnor flat deck FD230 furler

Some more comments..

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Is the webbing band sufficiently stiff?
After looking at the video in the OP.
By stiff are you referring to the comment in the video about stretch?
I have not noticed any problems with that.

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Is it possible to furl under load or will the furler break?
Are you allowed/forced to use the winch?
Here is what you can find in the Furlex manual regarding these questions
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Reefing under sail
*The best point of sail for reefing is on a close reach to beam reach. The wind will then partly fill the sail and help to improve its shape when reefed.
*If using a winch for the furling line, first check that there is no obstruction which may interrupt the furling operation and possibly cause damage.

1. Slacken off the leeward sheet until the sail just begins to flap along the luff.
2. Pull in the furling line so that the sail is furled and flattened out. Belay the furling line.
3. Repeat the procedure as required to obtain the desired sail area.
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Re: Facnor flat deck FD230 furler

Thank you all for your comments. It seems the Facnor FD live up to its marketing claims!

Knut Erik,
Are you by any chance down on the south coast? I live in Kristiansand. I should have pm'd you but I am new to this forum and need 15 posts before I can send a personal message...

/Jonas
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Re: Facnor flat deck FD230 furler

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Thank you all for your comments. It seems the Facnor FD live up to its marketing claims!

Knut Erik,
Are you by any chance down on the south coast? I live in Kristiansand. I should have pm'd you but I am new to this forum and need 15 posts before I can send a personal message...

/Jonas
I'm closer to Oslo now, the home base is at Sandvika (Bærum).
We enjoyed a nice summer holiday at the south coast this summer
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