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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

who says you have to sand varnish between coats? This is one of the big myths of brightwork. if you are re-coating inside of 24 hours, there is no sanding needed, unless you have finish imperfections, like runs, drips, bubbles, etc.
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

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[I cite several Practical Sailor studies for claims that Cetol is more durable.]
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Exterior Wood Finish Test Two-year Update - Practical Sailor Article

"....The Cetol Natural (with gloss) test panel fell from a Good coating integrity six months ago to being dropped from testing...."

"...As this test has shown, when it comes to long-lasting protection and gloss, two-part varnishes just can’t be beat. They may be a pain to apply—and should you let the coating fail, you had better invest in a heat gun—but their durability is unmatched...."
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

From Practical Sailor, September 2011, at the 2-year mark of their coatings test.

"The Cetol products are still at the head of the pack, albeit a somewhat mangy-looking pack. The cloudy, opaque look of the Cetol Marine and Marine Light products may not appeal to everyone, but the fact they’ve maintained their color for more than a year is a good example that higher-solids finishes tend to offer better UV protection.

The Cetol Natural (with gloss) test panel fell from a Good coating integrity six months ago to being dropped from testing. Its performance mirrors what we’ve seen in the field: Give it a little loving once a year with a scrubby pad and a fresh coat, and it’ll last the long haul."

Yes, the 2-part varnishes were the stars of the class, and one can look down one's nose at Cetol's aesthetics. But it gives good protection with far less effort than varnish.
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

But it's not FAR less effort. that's my point.
Cetol does have an advantage- it dries faster. So, you can do your two annual coats in a single morning, rather than having to do one coat of varnish in the morning and one in the evening.
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The only threads more entertaining than varnish are about anchors.
On this we agree. maybe the ultimate entertainment thread is "What anchor should i use to hold the best bluewater boat I can find for under $5000 in one place so that I can refinish the brightwork while my bulldog watches for pirates with a gun. Oh, and what boat, gun, coating and beer should I buy?"
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

My Cetol can says 24 hours between coats; never tried 2 coats in 1 morning.
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

I'd refrain from putting down 2 coats of Cetol in one day, the solvents may not escape the first coat quickly enough causing problems with the second coat. In fact 24 hours might not be enough in cool climates, I put down a second coat yesterday afternoon and in spots where the first coat was a little heavy I got some wrinkles in the second coat. I'm going to wait a week, wet sand and put one more on.

In regards to two part varnishes, I would tend to agree on their superiority, last winter I put in hardwood floors at home and used an acid curing conversion varnish called Glitsa. Awesome stuff but special safety precautions required (acid absorbing niosh cartridges, pilot lights off, etc). Two parts are in another category than standard spar varnish, but also much more finicky than single stage finishes.
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

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My Cetol can says 24 hours between coats; never tried 2 coats in 1 morning.
Don't. Not many products out there allow "multi-coating" and Cetol isn't one of them.

Uroxsys is one system that does and produces an amazing finish also, but it's horrendously expensive.
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

Agreed... that would be the ultimate entertaining thread... but wait... it must be posted by one who's been lurking on the site and has never sailed before.
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Re: Interlux Schooner vs. Sikkens Cetol

Um, you forgot to add the discussion about rebedding - Since I'm going to be redoing the finish on everything, I'm also going to rebed the brightwork. I'm planing on use silicone caulk because everybody says not to buy "marine" versions of stuff since it's just overpriced BS. Although, I've heard good things about something called 5200, and might use that instead.


Back to the original point of the thread...I've used Cetol, and I've done 8-coat varnish finishes. I did Cetol on the hatch boards on my old boat, and varnish on this one. I'm not thrilled with the way the varnish is holding up. Maybe its the brand, and maybe I'm just being rougher with them this year, but the varnish is showing much more wear than the Cetol versions did. I'm also dreading refinishing the varnish. That being said, I think Cetol is easier to apply, especially for someone who is new and might be intimidated by woodwork. I do prefer the look of the varnish, but it's not such a huge difference that I'd steer someone away from Cetol.
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