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I bought my first boat.. now i have a million question

I recently purchased a 1977 30' Irwin citation. I dont have any prefious experience sailing, and am registered for courses next year as well as i am going to keep the boat at a sailing club so that i can try to pick as many brains as i can for info.

The boat had leaks before the previous owner and allthough he fixed the leaks, there was a good amount of damage done to the galley. I am currently pulling every board that i can to replace and check.

I do have a couple questions though.

The sidestays for the mast go through the deck and into what used to be a 2 x 8. It is completely rotted on the starboard side. I have put git-rot into the whole section but am wondering what else should i do? The previous owner had mentioned he was going to remove the old wood and replace the 2 x 8. This does seem to help me sleep better at night, but someone else told me just to use the git-rot.

I would think it would be in my best interest to put a roller furling up but ive done a fair amount of seariching and due to my inexperience, i have to ask the following question..

Do i need to step the mast down in order to install roller furling?
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I would not rely on git-rot if that's where the chainplates mate with the hull.
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Re: I bought my first boat.. now i have a million question

I would step mast, but not sure it needs to be done, yard may be able to do it without stepping. Stay should be replaced with new before installing foil over it.

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Re: I bought my first boat.. now i have a million question

Second Jim's concern about 'git rot'.. this sounds like a necessary structural repair.. and future leak elimination.

It is not necessary to drop the mast to install roller furling. The mast can be temporarily stayed with a spare halyard, and the rigger can go up the mast as necessary. I'd suggest you replace the forestay while you're at it (Furlex usually supplies a new one) unless you have records showing the standing rigging has been recently replaced. Expect to pay something on the order of $2-3K installed with the necessary sail modifications.

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Re: I bought my first boat.. now i have a million question

No, do not use git rot on that wood. You have to replace it. Do not sail the boat until you do.

Some furling systems it is better for the mast to come down but not always necessary. Find a local rigger to help you on this.

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Adding the furller was one of the best adds I have done, but you may want to hold off on upgrades till you have fully assessed and sailed the boat. You may find with a boat that has a rotted chain plate mount has other neglect. The mast my need to be stepped to address wiring issues.
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Re: I bought my first boat.. now i have a million question

Photos may help.

Some terminology: Standing rigging holds the mast up (keeps it standing). Shrouds are the wires on each side which hold the mast up - you probably have 3 each side. Stays are front and back (forestay at the front, backstay at the back). Shrouds are connected to the hull using chainplates, which are normally bolted to a structural element.

You got a full survey before buying the boat, right?

If the shrouds are indeed attached to a rotten piece of 2x8, I would not sail until it is repaired. The forces on a shroud in moderate winds are enormous; if the chainplate tears out, the rig will come down. This would be bad. Also, stainless steel doesn't rust unless it is trapped in a damp, airless environment - like bolted or buried in a piece of rotted wood - so your chainplate may also be compromised. Any small crack in a chainplate is red lights and sirens!

Please do not sail until the situation has been professionally addressed.

As for a roller furler, there are strong feelings pro and con. On the positive side, it is definitely convenient. On the negative side it may prevent you from getting the best shape from your sail - so racing boats rarely have furlers, cruising boats often do. I would suggest that your priority should be to ensure the boat is safe and dry - standing rigging has been checked, essential maintenance completed. Then, if you have any money left over, look at a roller furler.

If you do decide to install one, the mast does not have to be removed - but the forestay does. So you need to be sure the mast is supported during this process. A professional installer may be able to advise.

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Re: I bought my first boat.. now i have a million question

Mookie, check Yahoo groups for the Irwin Owners groups, there are a couple.
There is even a face book page.

Your 30 is quite a bit different from my 38 but I think you've got quiet a bit going on that needs to be addressed before that boat is safe to sail.

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Welcome to the forum. Good sailor folk here (knowledgable too)! Pictures help the helpers more than anything!

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Re: I bought my first boat.. now i have a million question

Sail the boat for a while before you invest in roller furling. You may find that you prefer having the ability to readily change sails to wind conditions then the ability to put away the boat 5 minutes faster at the end of the day. That is realistically the tradeoff made with roller furling vs hank-on.

My first boat had hank-on sails and my current one has (brand new) roller furling. I'm not sure that the investment in roller furling was the right one for me.

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