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Like propane it is liquid I believe in the tank, but a gas when released. It is the only type of stove I have not used.
Don't think that's so.. CNG and LNG are different beasts. From Wiki:

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CNG's volumetric energy density is estimated to be 42 percent that of liquefied natural gas (because it is not liquefied)
CNG tanks are at ~2000 psig, much like a scuba tank and contain a compressed natural gas, just like a scuba tank holds compressed air... Being lighter than air it's much safer, of course, but availability is spotty in certain areas and you've got the issue of storing a tank under such high pressure.
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Re: Stove options

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so if kerosene is best which i have also read on atom voyages website, what is a good kerosene stove and where do i get one. last summer and the summer before i survived on uncooked canned, you do what you have o but id like to be able to eat things other than canned beans, soup and corn.
My point on the previous post - you have to search the classified everywhere and luck out - they are no longer commercially available as they were - even Force Ten used to make them.

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As far as fuel use 10 lbs of propane lasts me 6 to 8 weeks cooking aboard every day - I use the oven regularly as well.

There is no "safe fuel" really, if there was it wouldn't burn.

Alcohol is considered by many (including a few long term cruisers I know) as the most dangerous fuel. You often cannot see the flame. One cruiser had a flare-up with an alcohol stove and the water that was put on it just chased the flames under cabinetry - the boat was a total loss.
1 gallon of Kerosene = 6 months of cooking or using the stove 3-4 times every day for at least 6 months, and if you cannot find Kero, go to the airport and buy/get jet fuel - same thing, only cleaner. With pressurized Kero, you just burn the vapor...

++ 1 on the Alcohol danger of a fire - water does no good at all.
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My point on the previous post - you have to search the classified everywhere and luck out - they are no longer commercially available as they were - even Force Ten used to make them.
When I bought my 35' boat in 1988 it had a Force 10 3 burner/oven kerosene stove. I sold the stove and converted to propane, as I have on the 2 more recent boats.

Force 10 is a different company now. Still have a B.C. presence but French owned by Eno Group. I was talking to them at a trade show last week and was told that they sold the last thermocouple for a pre 2000 Force 10 stove recently. My stove is a 1998 model. They still produce good stoves but design is different as is most if not all parts.

Also when Eno bought Force 10 they trucked spare parts for all their heaters to the dump - they are only a stove company and didn't need them.
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1 gallon of Kerosene = 6 months of cooking or using the stove 3-4 times every day for at least 6 months, and if you cannot find Kero, go to the airport and buy/get jet fuel - same thing, only cleaner. With pressurized Kero, you just burn the vapor...
But you still use alcohol to preheat. I recall kerosene didn't last as long as 6 months/gallon when I had one. Remember as well that kerosene is called paraffin for a reason - it can under some conditions, especially if it's been around a while, turn yellow and become lumpy with wax, and it is then unusable. We have had this issue on occasion as we sell Wallas furnaces, some are diesel and some kerosene. Actual kerosene fumes are toxic and can be fatal if breathed according to Wikipedia.

Kerosene was the #1 stove fuel for cruisers when I was young. The Hiscocks, Guzzwell, and most everybody else used it and Propane wasn't common then. Now it has flipped and the good quality (Primus) burners are not available any more. Blake's in the UK used to make stoves that looked like jewellery - priced like it as well. I don't know if they still do, the market is very small for that type of stove today.
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would you suggest that stove over the propane one i have now if i were to stay with this one what i could do is either store the mini propane botles in a sealed cooler that is kept on deck lashed to something or i could convert th stove to be able to be fed by a tank on the rail. I am getting the impression that alcohol doesnt have the power i need, and you say kerosene stoves are of low quality. I am planning on crusing toronto to newfoundland this year then heading for europe via bermuda and after that i will likely head back west to the carribean via bermuda, I am probably going to then work a bit and possibly go on a full circumnavigation slowly. possibly though the first part is for sure.
Please do not "convert the stove to be able to be fed by a tank on the rail"

Given you lack of knowledge of safe LPG practice, storage and appliances for boats, you will at best void your insurance or at worst, kill yourself.
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Re: Stove options

I loved the gimballed alcohol stove that came stock on my marieholm folkboat

edit: others have mentioned how slow they are too boil and how clear the flame is...they can be hard to see...

too bad this source of fuel is not common in many parts of the world...HOWEVER you can use other fuels...but they stink the cabin to high hell

i tried with kerosene and it was bad

for a real nice single source gimballed stove look at james baldwins atomvoyages.com sight where he modifies camping and mountaineering stoves for use on a boat..

ive had 2 boats now with those gimballed stoves that use coleman propane disposable tanks...for a solo sailor they are not bad and will last a month or so maybe more...anything more than 1 you need tanks...

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Re: Stove options

maybe i will just buy the bracket for the mini galley since that was left on the folkboat i stripped this stove out of and just store the fuel in a cooler on deck. And if i need two burners ill buy a second one. You don't think i would get any propane leaks using it this way would I. I suppose if the can's are self sealing and the cans arent stored down below there isn't much risk of an explosion or leaking fuel is there. A propane sniffer would be a good idea also.
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No i will agree i know nothing about fuel or cooking appliances. But eating raw food from a can gets rather gross after a while so being able to cook simple meals on passage and not blow myself up set my boat on fire or poison myself is kind of the goal. I have sort of been scared away from propane by other boaters, but the info here seems to suggest that while it is slightly more dangerous than kerosene there aren't any good kerosene stove available right now and alcohol isn't that safe. I ave a thin sheet of some sort of metal that i could put behind the stove to make sure it didn't light anything on fire as an extra precaution. But if no one thinks that these small self sealng bottles would leak if i only kept one in the stove and the rest in a cooler on deck, then that may be my best solution.
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Re: Stove options

I've seen the valves on the "self sealing" 1lb propane bottles leak several times- I don't trust them at all. I've been driving down the road to go camping and had one fill my car with propane. That was a newer bottle that had been connected once, and then disconnected from a lantern.

That said, I don't think propane gas is really that dangerous. There's a narrow range of air/fuel mixtures where it can ignite, and when it does ignite the energy density is very low, and burns up without igniting or burning anything else.

There's no new gimbaled kerosene stoves on the market, but there are tons of kerosene backpacking stoves which could probably be adapted into a newer gimbal designed for a propane burner.
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Re: Stove options

atom voyages describes how to modify and make the best gimballed kerosene stove from

while the above is true about those coleman propane tanks leaking we used this system for over 10k miles on a leaky wooden boat with the engine not a foot from where the tanks were stored upright...they got rusty damp, and only once did one seem to leak, we just put it outside on the stern rail and discarded it after entering port

like I said not for everyone but it worked might fine for us...a propane snifre is always a good idea
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