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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

Per Barient schematic -

5/16" UNC x 1" stainless steel cap screw (one of four)
Base is Barient P/N 11746 - Aluminum (same for self tailing model)

The bolt is not the issue, the damage caused to remove from base is. Replace base if possible, you may need to hunt for a used one to canabalize. Alternative (if you have access below) is bore all 4 through the base so you can thru-bolt through the combing.

Anal about full tear down, cleaning out the schmegma, getting it back to reliable - check

I have a bunch of Barient schematics, PM if needed.
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

Thanks guys, all great suggestions. I'm thinking of soaking it in PB blaster and trying to get something on that to back it out. If not, drilling it is.

I know Minny's sells used Barients, I'll see if they have base to buy. Funny, as boats go anyway. If I get that far to pulling the base, I should just replace them with nice Self Tailers.
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

If you go with the self tailer, let me know. I'd like to move my main halyard to the cabin top.
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

I had a similar issue with my mast mounted Barlow winch. The winch was mounted to an aluminum mast plate, and 1 of the 5 stainless screws removed with a generous application of torque. Two were a nightmare, as the heads snapped off. I was afraid that the last two heads were going to snap off as well, until I applied heat from a butane torch, followed by PB-Blaster, then heat again. I was able to back the last two screws out. I then grabbed the remnants of the two snapped screws with a pair of vice grips, and managed to back them out. In my situation, I believe that the heat did the trick.
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

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.....it may interest you to know that when I was building top fuel engines for drag cars all the threads between the heads and block are drilled and helicoiled, by doing this the threads are 2.5 stronger than original, and no winch on any boat goes through the load that a 2500hp nitro engine puts out....
Yup, depending on the threads and material, the inserts can be stronger. It wasn't the linear load that I was concerned over, as much as the side loads and twisting that a winch is subject to.
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

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Thanks guys, all great suggestions. I'm thinking of soaking it in PB blaster and trying to get something on that to back it out. If not, drilling it is.

I know Minny's sells used Barients, I'll see if they have base to buy. Funny, as boats go anyway. If I get that far to pulling the base, I should just replace them with nice Self Tailers.
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

I ended up drilling the bolt out. Couldn't get it off the base though. It moves but just too tight. Heat is the key as suggested above.

Never fails, needed the little blue bottle for the torch. Found out the GF "borrowed" it the other day for the BBQ. I wondered why she didn't have the little green squat bottle on the grill.

It got too late with the short day so I'll try to hit it tomorrow. I did tear apart the other winch, I'll post a pick with another question.
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

Winch broken down.




What about the pawls, do they need replacement?

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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

A better view of the pawl edge. The one on the right in this pic has a groove worn in the back edge. Can't figure out what that was from. Don't think it would bother the function of it though?



I'll prob. just replace them anyway. New springs too? or?
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Re: Winch maintenance Q, what nut is this?

The Start, I heard there was a grease shortage after the last guy rebuilt these.



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