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Even if the toggle bolts work for reinstall, you still need access to remove what's there, if a bolt spins you're back where you started.

Going through the aft quarter bulkhead has the advantage of not risking a deck leak, but it has the disadvantage of turning this into a two-person job. A temporary cutout near the work means you can do it yourself.

If you build a pocket shelf just make the floor angled down, with drainholes in the facing, as they've done. Not sure it's worth the time and effort depending on the cost of one like that pictured. Marine consignment stores often have that sort of thing fairly cheap.

Those pocket shelves are a great place to toss a winch handle ... (remember? you're in the winch world now ) or the odd bit of line, a handheld GPS, VHF, etc etc.
i could actually use a sawzall to cut the cleat screws. then the remnants would just fall into the area under the cockpit sole. but such a shelf would be useful for winch handles and stuff.

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Correct. Very common on a production boat. When I replaced the fuel tank on my CS27 I also replaced the hoses. The vent was installed high on the transom and the cockpit well is only about 3" from the transom at the bottom and tapers to about 2" at the top. I cut a hole and installed an access plate like the one posted earlier.

The toggle bolts are probably the best least invasive solution. We sell similar ones where I work, have been meaning to buy a few for the toolbox.
that's what i had been thinking, too.

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This is what I would try as to removing the existing bolts.Try turning the head of the bolt with an electric drill as fast as you can, and pull up on the broken part of the cleat. This will jam the nut to the underside and with some friction and the bolt turning fast enough, it might come out. If you could use air tool and it was a hex head bolt that would work, but I am sure you are dealing with a slotted flat head bolt. That will be harder to spin. If that does not work then I would take a sawzall with metal blade or dremel and cut through the cleat and bolt. You may not be able to retrieve the stud or nut, but what harm can they do?

Now to fix without cutting access....Blind Rivet Nut will do the trick. Counter sinking holes deep enough so the head of the blind rivet will sit flush allowing the new cleat to sit down flush. Be careful not to over counter sink and weaken the hole or larger counter sink than the base of the cleat. Also, countersinking holes in fiberglass is know to help prevent cracking. See Blind nut rivet info here... Blind Rivet Nuts - Bolt Products, Inc. Installation of "Blind Rivet Nuts" - YouTube I see SS 304 and 316 listed here... http://www.sherex.com/pdf/Dejond%20T...%20Catalog.pdf

And don't forger to bed the new cleat.
ok. nutserts. we used to use those at an assembly plant used to weld at. i hadn't even thought of them in years. that' a good option.

the sawzall method was what i was leaning towards, myself. sikplest way to do the job.

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For sure no access from the quarterberth below? or from the cockpit locker opposite (under cockpit and that way??) I expect you've checked that, but just asking ..

Know any small people that might get around/under the cockpit?

A cutout in the side of the cockpit backrest wouldn't be horrible, and you could buy a cover plate like:

Make sure it's big enough to get your arm through.. Might even create some useful storage space.
I have installed one of these for the same kind of problem and am thinking of adding another. I am getting too old for the contortions to access some of the boat's hardware. The only down side I can see is appearance. It is a functional mod. So what if it looks like what it is. It sure makes working in those impossible spaces easier.

I am considering enlarging the access panel to the starboard side of the engine in the quarter birth to make servicing of the "bits" in that area easier. The bulkhead I will have to modify is 5/8" marine plywood and should not suffer structural compromise if I double the size of the "inspection" opening. "Inspection" is fine but maintaining the engine's water pumps through an "inspection" opening is a real PITA, not to mention the shoulders! I also opened an access portal at the aft end of the 1/4 birth for plumbing and wiring access. I love my small boat but access to stuff is often difficult. Fixing that problem, as long as you are not compromising any structural components is a good idea.

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what is that? a small storage shelf?
Yes, lots of boats have them, actually a great place to tuck the end of a line and keep the cockpit floor from being a tangled mess...or stash a ell phone, binoculars, etc...

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Can you not gain access from the cockpit storage locker? Use a couple 12" extensions?

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3 pages of discussion for a cleat and 2 bolts?? I could've built a boat by now! LOL
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Re: to cut or not to cut. that is the question.

Put a new cleat somewhere that you can accomplish the task. Then remove the old one and plug the holes. Looks kinda tight where its at now anyway. Otherwise, a new coaming storage box would be a neat addition.

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3 pages of discussion for a cleat and 2 bolts?? I could've built a boat by now! LOL
Well.... 300+ posts over "flying a pirate flag" is even more insane!
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Can you not gain access from the cockpit storage locker? Use a couple 12" extensions?
there is a storage locker on the starboard side. the problem is, unfortunately, on the port side. otherwise, there'd be no thread

i see you have one of those shelves/storage compartments. looks nice. i like it.

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