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Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

I'm planning a conversion from wheel back to tiller on my 1977 CS27. The wheel and pedestal just take up too much space, and the conversion is relatively simple on my boat. The part I'm not yet comfortable with is converting my pedestal mounted engine controls back to a side-mount cockpit control.

I currently stop my engine (Yanmar YSB-8) by cutting the throttle. Does this mean I require a separate throttle + shifter, or is there a way to still do this using a single-lever model?

Any specific recommendations on brands / models that have left good impressions?

Thank you in advance,
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

You might find an older Morse 2 lever system more to your liking if you don't have a 'kill' cable setup.. but surely there's a fuel cutoff on the engine and all you'd need is a 'manual choke' pull cable kit to rig it up.

Morse used to make a 2 lever system where the levers could be removed and stored off the hub so there was less likelihood of lines getting caught on them.
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

Premium product, used to install Kobelt product on government, commercial and custom boat installations. Cost is higher than Seastar Kobelt Manufacturing

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Morse/Teleflex is now SeaStar
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You should be able to use your existing cables (depending on length) on all these as cable ends are universal.

Will you remove the fiberglass box covering the steering yoke?
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

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You might find an older Morse 2 lever system more to your liking if you don't have a 'kill' cable setup.. but surely there's a fuel cutoff on the engine and all you'd need is a 'manual choke' pull cable kit to rig it up.

Morse used to make a 2 lever system where the levers could be removed and stored off the hub so there was less likelihood of lines getting caught on them.
The only control that seems to be made in the old style used on sailboats is the one below from Seastar. I just browsed their catalog and it is all I could find. I'm not sure of the price but can check tomorrow.

The other option would be used. There must be some 2 lever controls around in your area. I know there is in Victoria. As far as the cables which are probably original they can be replaced for not very much if necessary. You will likely not need cables as long as the current ones.

As far as I know the throttle, when pulled to the minimum setting, also cut fuel flow to zero for engine stopping. I have basically the same engine as Chris does.

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Premium product, used to install Kobelt product on government, commercial and custom boat installations. Cost is higher than Seastar Kobelt Manufacturing

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You should be able to use your existing cables (depending on length) on all these as cable ends are universal.
The Seastar uses 33c cables but the Kobelt comparable (#2031) uses the heavy duty 60 series cables. I think the Kobelt is really overkill for a smaller boat.
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

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A friend suggested you see Mike at The Store Chandlery in Port Credit for suggestions.

The CH2500P shown above is about $800. Didn't price the Kobelt - it would be more.

Look for used. The cables may need replacing but the levers should last.
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

Mason's Chandlery is in Port Credit Marina, Mississauga. There are 1200 slips in that marina so your pickings might be good. Mason's has a garage sale set up behind their store in Port Credit, ON. Being that you are in NY you should also try RCR Yachts - they have 5 locations upstate and might have a used parts bin available. You might also find something at Brewer Brother's Marine in Hamilton, ON. They usually have some dust covered dead stock they are trying to part with.

Original engine controls for tiller equipped CS27 were from Teleflex, both handles were removable, one with black knob, one red.
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

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Will you remove the fiberglass box covering the steering yoke?
I don't have a fiberglass box anywhere - not sure how to answer that one...
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

Hooo-eeee! I had no idea these things were going to be that expensive. My Edson throttle controls weren't that much, and I thought everything Edson made was priced like diamonds. Definitely going to look into the used market... These ought to be well within reasonable eBay shipping costs.


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Chris

A friend suggested you see Mike at The Store Chandlery in Port Credit for suggestions.

The CH2500P shown above is about $800. Didn't price the Kobelt - it would be more.

Look for used. The cables may need replacing but the levers should last.
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Re: Wheel to tiller conversion - new throttle

When factory installed (or factory supplied kit in aftermarket) CS included a molded fiberglass box at the aft end of the cockpit with a teak board on top to create a seat. Front of box had a white plexiglass cover for access. Inside the box was a modified radial drive with a fork that went through the transom and around the front face of the rudder. We cranked out 2 CS27 decks a week and installing this optional box was part of the deck assembly process (read your detailed blog on your retrofit -yes, we were the guys that did not pot any of the deck fitting holes, but we did use plenty of butyl tape to seal everything, technology has changed somewhat and builders hopefully know they MUST POT EVERY HOLE)

I've also seen retrofits of push/pull cable through stbd side of transom and on to bracket on rudder, but not factory speced. After 20+ years out of the business I too am amazed at the price of marine hardware.
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