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Re: Single line reefing question

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Paulo is right. Adjusting topping lift is the first step.
Adjusting the topping lift might be a necessary step but only if the topping lift is not already carrying the boom as the halyard is eased.

Tensioning the topping lift to raise the boom has some risk, you should only do it if essential. The issue being, if the topping lift is not reset after the reef is in, there's a chance to break something when you next trim the main closehauled.
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Re: Single line reefing question

SF - you're right but find get the tack fairly tight first makes the line run smoother as the leech is totally loose. Even if you forget to ease it the leech remains open after the reef to remind you to let down the topping lift. I just tighten it a smidge so ( knock on wood) haven't broken anything yet.
Don't fully get the concern about long tails. With double line get two clutches, two tails and twice the opportunity for folks to pull the wrong line at night if they are not well familiar with the boat and positions of the clutches. Coastal don't rig the third reef as don't want that much string hanging on the sail so use the clutches for other things ( spin halyard etc.). Can be confusing. Tails just get flaked and dumped under the dodger anyways.
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Re: Single line reefing question

Will experiment with topping lift which by the way when I stepped the mast last March, I forgot to run in advance. Bummer. Have not yet made going up the mast part of my first year learning curve. Oh well it may be time to go up, rig the topping lift, check rigging, and do a couple other things... Thanks all!
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Re: Single line reefing question

Have no idea what this means:

"The second is using a block (or Antal-style low friction ring) instead of the cringle. An easy way to do this is to put a ring on one side of the sail, an Antal ring on the other side of the sail, and connect them with a piece of sewn webbing (sail makers call that a "dog-bone") or soft shackle. The other advantage of using a block or low friction ring is that both sides of the reefing line run on one side of the sail, they won't crush and chafe the sail when reefed."

Can somone post a photo?

Could you simply not just put a teflon spray lubrication on the reefing line now and then at all the critical parts, for example: http://www.lowes.com/pd_213197-39963...ductId=1059839

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Re: Single line reefing question

See Knuterikt's setup in this thread (is actually for a cunningham, I think):

Low friction rings for single-line reefing
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Re: Single line reefing question



That is an Antal ring dogboned to another stainless ring using a soft shackle (a too long for the job soft shackle, but it works).

The one part of this photo that I don't like is the load that is placed on the mast-mounted padeye.
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Re: Single line reefing question

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That is an Antal ring dogboned to another stainless ring using a soft shackle (a too long for the job soft shackle, but it works).

The one part of this photo that I don't like is the load that is placed on the mast-mounted padeye.
The block from Sparcraft in this picture is the lead for my tack reefing line (two line reefing setup). This block give little friction and good lead, the rope go down to a mast base block.

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Re: Single line reefing question

I have to agree with two line the set up that Knuterikt is showing. I have never seen a single-line reefing system that really works properly. While the friction can be tamed some by the low friction devices that Alex suggests, the problem with a single line system in my mind is that the clew tension is controlled by the luff tension and so one is bound to be too tight or too loose. Plus there are times when you need a reef but you want to ease the outhaul slightly to power through waves. You cannot do that with a single line system without loosening the luff and allowing the tack to float upward.

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Re: Single line reefing question

Look at the drawing from Bartonmarine..

The setup shown is with the reefing line external to the boom.

Notice the lead of the "tack" end of the setup with the block on the mast well forward of the goose neck and then through the reef cringle and to the same point on the other side of the mast before going aft.
This is to avoid increasing friction when the luff gets pulled down first (as it will normally do since there is less rope to pull down at the tack).


I have sailed on a Hanse 470, on this boat the friction suddenly increased when the luff was pulled down to the boom - by examining the system at this point we discovered that the reef block sewn onto the luff of the sail interfered with the reefing line where it exited the boom making it extra hard to pull the leach down. The quick fix was to send a crew to the mast and push on the block, I newer bothered to find a permanent fix...
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Re: Single line reefing question

On my boat you can get the best (or worst?) of both worlds by using single line reefing and moving the cunningham hook to the reef tack cringle.

This lets me reef from the cockpit with a single line. Once the boat is reefed I can go forward and move the cunningham hook up to the new tack. Now my reef line is controlling the clew and the cunningham line is controlling the tack.
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