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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

Nice setup TakeFive. Thanks for the pics. I use Navionics app on the tablet for chart plotting and for navigation- I always have it running even when using the GPS. Great backup!
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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

Great info Rick. I publish cruising guides to New Caledonia and Vanuatu and would love to see how our guides work on the Miix 2 8. Unfortunately the Miix 2 8 is not yet available in New Caledonia or New Zealand or Australia. Would you be interested in having free copies of our cruising guides to see if our guides work OK on the tablet? If so, please contact me via the contact button on our web site - just search for cruising new caledonia - I'm not allowed to give you my website address or send you a private message.

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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

Fun to see a couple of my Panbo photos here, and fine to use them the way Alex W did.

Rick, would you mind if I used a couple of your photos in an entry about the Miix 2 8?

I also intend to reference this Chartplotter vs iPad discussion, as I think a lot of good points were made on both sides. Overall we're lucky to have so many choices, aren't we?

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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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Rick, would you mind if I used a couple of your photos in an entry about the Miix 2 8?
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You're welcome to use my photos, though I may have some better ones elsewhere. I've been much more active on this topic in cruisersforum.com, which hosts the official support forum for OpenCPN. The program's developers have been actively soliciting input for optimizing the program to work on Windows 8 tablets. You may want to look at this thread and this thread, where you'll see some pictures and screenshots, and a lot of comments about the Miix2 8" built-in GPS. Here are a couple of my posts from there (using my "old" ID of RhythmDoctor):

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I've had the boat out about 6 times so far this year, with the new Miix2 8" tablet as my primary navigation tool. So I thought I'd post some comments. However, note that my comments are specific to my own sailing situation:
  • Small (25') pocket cruiser
  • Daysail in dry weather, protected river with flat water. In other words, dry cockpit
  • The Miix2 tablet is my primary navigation device, right in the cockpit with me. It is mounted to my pedestal using a RAM mount.
  • The previous three seasons, I used a Netbook to do the same thing, so many of my comments will compare the tablet with the prior Netbook
Overall, the tablet works great. There are several things that I like even better than I thought I would.
  • The tablet is less bulky than my prior Netbook. It is easier to maneuver around in my cockpit, which is already tight with a wheel on a little 25' boat.
  • I often sit astride the wheel on the windward side. I tack frequently because I am in a river, so I switch sides a lot. The small tablet is great for this, because I can loosen the RAM mount, turn it to the other side, and tighten it, all with one hand and in about 5 seconds. With the Netbook it was a 2-handed job because of the bulk and weight.
  • Because of shipping traffic, I get a lot of AIS alarms. It is SO MUCH NICER tapping the "Acknowledge" button on the screen instead of having to figure out where the cursor is and slide around on a trackpad to tap "Acknowledge".
  • I don't really like the "Tablet Mode" on the current beta version. The button icons are bigger than I need and take up too much screen space. I don't have real big fingers, so I can tap precisely enough with the original size icons. I have an inexpensive stylus (bought 5 for $5 on Amazon) that I keep in my drink holder if I need even more precise tapping.
  • The screen is daylight viewable in my opinion. Several days were full daylight, and I left the bimini top down. When in bright daylight the screen does not seem bright, but it is definitely viewable to me. Reviews still indicate that the Miix2 8" model has about the brightest screen out there.
  • There are reflections from the high gloss screen, but I've always been able to ignore them. I have ordered matte finish screen protectors to see if it knocks down the reflections. If the protector interferes with touch sensitivity, I'll do fine without it.
  • The battery drained to about 40% in 4 hours of continuous use with screen always on at full brightness and Bluetooth running. (I have a Chartplotter Power setting that keeps everything on constantly.) This is plenty for daysailing, and for long cruises I'll plug a USB charger into the 12v socket at my helm.
  • On my Netbook I could not use polarized sunglasses, because the polarization was 45 degree angle, so the sunglasses knocked down the brightness by 50%. With the Miix2 8", the polarization is such that when using it in landscape orientation the sunglasses have no effect on the screen brightness. So on sunny days I use the Miix2 in landscape orientation, with two instances of OpenCPN running side by size at different zoom levels. I'm really getting to like being able to use sunglasses. On cloudy days I orient the tablet in portrait mode.
  • Even as sturdy as the RAM mount is, I am afraid that at some point the bracket might get caught by my clothing as I move around the cockpit, opening the spring-loaded bracket and dropping the tablet to the sole. So I supplemented it with a small piece (1.5"x0.75") of industrial strength Velcro on the back of the tablet. It is more secure with this in place, yet can still be removed.

Here is a picture of the tablet in my cockpit. Note that I am sitting astride the wheel, and the RAM mount is turned so I can view it from where I am:



Here is a picture or my prior Netbook in the cockpit. I installed an additional mounting point in my cabin so the Netbook is always there as a backup or for general computing use:


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I went sailing today and have a couple of updates about my Miix2 8" that I use in my cockpit.

The matte finish screen protector that I mentioned in my prior post worked perfectly. It completely eliminated the reflection and glare from the screen, making it much more legible in sunlight. There was no perceptible reduction in the touch sensitivity. Click here to see the screen protectors that I bought.

Also, I finally remembered to test the Miix2's internal GPS. I was out on the river, out of reach of any WiFi reception. I launched GeolocationTCP and also the Sensors app. Neither could get a fix for several minutes. Dave has mentioned that being in motion could make an initial fix difficult. However, I tested a different hypothesis. There's been some speculation on some of the tablet review sites about the materials of construction used in the Miix2 8". One site thinks that the back panel is aluminum, with a thin plastic stripe at the bottom to allow for antenna reception. It occurred to me that the problem getting a fix might be related to the orientation of the device, since radio reception could be hampered if the the antenna's view of the sky is obscured by aluminum case and electronic components. So I oriented the device with the glass facing the sky, and it immediately got a fix. After that initial fix, I was able to move the device back into its "dashboard" orientation (glass facing backwards toward my sitting at the helm), and GeolocationTCP continued to update GPS data every second for the next three hours.

I'll have to repeat this test next time I'm on the boat, but right now I think the difficulties that I've reported before have to do with the device's orientation. I've seen similar things before testing the GPS in the car and on the cockpit - when I lay the tablet flat the GPS starts working.

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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

Have inavx as backup on a iPad but have three chart plotters . All can run the ap or serve as " master" in the network. All show radar,ais and other info. Take a sea into your cockpit and even if mounted your tablet is gone. Want one at nav station, under hard dodger and at the wheel. Don't want to be carrying things moving about in weather.
In fact the tablet is mostly used as a repeater for what's on the mfd screens when lying in a berth and wanting to see what's going on.
Think a tuff book may serve as a primary system if done right but don't want to bet the farm on current generation tablets integrity in the harsh marine environment.
Also carry paper charts - several belts but also suspenders.
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Life proof case has worked well for the iPad.
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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

Be aware that the iPad can overheat on hot days outside. It's happened to me. I imagine that a case would make it more susceptible to overheat.

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Be aware that the iPad can overheat on hot days outside. It's happened to me. I imagine that a case would make it more susceptible to overheat.

That happened to me this weekend! Unless you have a shady place to stash it in the cockpit, an iPad probably works better down below.
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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

I have a Raymarine Hybrid Touch 12" Chartplotter at the helm and I have an iPad with RayView and RayControl for down below. From below, I can do anything on my iPad that I can do on the chartplotter. So, it saves me a second display and the wall space down below. But in the cockpit, I prefer the hard-wired approach so I don't have to deal with the battery life issue and the "Sun washing out the display" issue of the iPad.
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Re: Chart plotter or IPad

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You're welcome to use my photos, though I may have some better ones elsewhere. I've been much more active on this topic in cruisersforum.com, ...
Thanks, Rick! I'll definitely check out the other discussions.

Best, Ben
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