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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

I've used all three types. My Hunter 23.5 came with some horn cleats for the jib sheets. I added cam cleats and much prefer them. They make quick trim adjustments a snap for a solo sailor. Clam cleats, (at least the plastic ones) seem to wear out pretty fast and then won't hold worth a darn, I'm not a fan of them.

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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

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That's what I have. I run the sheet through the middle of the legs, then you only have to to go once around to get it to hold (unless it's really fierce weather, then you can do a cleat hitch).
Running the sheets 'through' the cleat base is the same as running them through any kind of fairlead and is just asking for a twist in the running line to get jammed in there.. Good you've gotten away with it but I wouldn't do that on a boat with a large genoa and a lot of sheet to run.

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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

+1 to Faster's comment above.

Also, to clear things up, the cam cleat, horn cleat, or self tailer should not have a large load on it. Ever. The load should be on the winch with enough wraps that very little should be at the cleat, no matter what style you're using.
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

The winches and jib sheet cleats on my 21-footer are on the coach roof. I replaced the worn-out clam-cleats on the edge of the coach roof with Harken 150's and will never go back to clam cleats. If your sheet cleats are on a flush part of the deck, like in the picture above, jam cleats may be more ergonomic. Personally I prefer the jam cleats where the deck forms one half of the V and the cleat the other. They hold really well, although they should not have to hold a lot if the sheet comes off a winch as pointed out by zz4gta, but I haven't seen these in the US yet.

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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

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Think I may go with those Harken 150's. Should they be on an angle to line up with the line coming off the winch?

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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

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Think I may go with those Harken 150's. Should they be on an angle to line up with the line coming off the winch?
Even those clam cleats would work better at an angle.. cams would be better, and yes, angled would work better.

Here's another option.. makes 'sitting' on the coaming more comfortable but some don't like the 'poke in the back' sitting on the seat. Better lead angle and easier release, though..


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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

I think you'll love the 150's. And yes, they should be on the line between the winch and the preferred position of the person adjusting the sheets, mounted close to the edge of the cockpit, such that you pull the sheet "square" through the cleat. As zz4gta also suggest, I would not install a fairlead. You can add one later if you feel you want that.


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Think I may go with those Harken 150's. Should they be on an angle to line up with the line coming off the winch?
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

I love my alloy clam cleats. My old boat came with horn cleats and I hated them, they often prevented me from making small adjustments to the jib that I do all the time with clam cleats.

I don't know how long they will last - I would suspect many years - but what are they to replace? 12 bucks? 15?
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I love my alloy clam cleats. My old boat came with horn cleats and I hated them, they often prevented me from making small adjustments to the jib that I do all the time with clam cleats.

I don't know how long they will last - I would suspect many years - but what are they to replace? 12 bucks? 15?

Around $30 new. 10-15$ for a rebuild kit.
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Around $30 new. 10-15$ for a rebuild kit.
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