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Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

I need to replace the clams behind my winches for my jib sheets. What are the pros and cons of cam vs clam? Any other options?
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

Clam cleats are super annoying. They make it difficult to do a release of the sheet, and will automatically recleat your lazy sheet while you trim the working sheet.

Cam cleats or a simple horn cleat with a jam on one side will be a lot easier to deal with.
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

This is a clam cleat:


These are cam cleats (you probably want the center style):


This is a horn cleat with jam:
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

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This is a horn cleat with jam:
I don't know that I've seen one of those before, or if I have I didn't notice it.

How do you use it? How is it different than a regular horn cleat?
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

You don't want a fair lead on your cam cleat for jib sheets. Use a harken 150 cleat.
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

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I don't know that I've seen one of those before, or if I have I didn't notice it.

How do you use it? How is it different than a regular horn cleat?
You don't have to do a figure 8 to get it to hold. You can just wrap it around and it will hold well enough in normal conditions. It isn't strong enough for long term conditions or high loads (like a docking line or halyard would see).

If your sheets and cleats are sized appropriately you can also jam the sheet into the cleat, this design just makes it easier and less critical of sheet line size.
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

I used the open type clam cleat for racing and cruising for many years and always liked them. Be sure they are sized right for your sheets, and they have a fair lead from the winch. They are fast and easy to use.
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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

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I don't know that I've seen one of those before, or if I have I didn't notice it.

How do you use it? How is it different than a regular horn cleat?
You don't have those on your C22? I thought they were standard equipment, but I didn't really think about it that hard.

That's what I have. I run the sheet through the middle of the legs, then you only have to to go once around to get it to hold (unless it's really fierce weather, then you can do a cleat hitch).

They're ok. They're not as fast or as quickly adjustable as a cam cleat, but they're way, way less annoying than a clam cleat.

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Re: Cam or Clam Cleats, re: Jib sheets

I leave my sheets in the self tailing winches these days... however previous boat used a horn cleat. I think horn cleats are the most common on mid to larger sized boats from what I've seen.

I'm not a huge fan of clam cleats. I like cam cleats but you usually see them on smaller boats when used on a jib sheet. We use the Harken 150's on Ensign 22s, and they should be a good fit on your O'Day as well. They're not too expensive and can be rebuilt (new springs) in the future. I would just use the cleat, no fairleads needed.
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