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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

I might just patch over the hole with a few layers of epoxy and glass for this year. Go sailing. In the fall remove the patch and grind out as much as necessary. Next spring after it's had all winter to dry out fill with thickened epoxy and glass over. Also make sure you can find out where the water is getting in. Many times the problem is in the bilge where the ballast was resin-ed over at the factory.
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

Yes the color of the water is strange, even with a lead keel if it had been in there very long it would be mucky. I would be worried about any structure that may have been damaged with freeze thaw cycles as well. Remember it is the fiberglass that is holding the casting (be it Iron, concrete lead or some mix) onto the boat. So if the fiberglass got damaged by freeze thaw it could in theory let the keel ballast go.
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

I was able to stick my cell into a small opening behind the step and take a pic of the upper portion of the pipe that connects the cockpit drain to the underside of the hull. I can only see the top half of the pipe.

Looking down the pipe I can see some cracks.

I tried to brush some epoxy in with a long bottle brush but it left only a thin coat.

Tomorrow I am going to try to feed some flex hose (the type with spiral ridges) down the hole. I will seal both ends with butyl tape if I can actually feed the hose. It will be a tight fit so I don't think I need to glue or epoxy it in place.

Note: the pipe pics need t o be rotated upright)
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

I'd find anothet way ta drain the 'pit. Fill and far hood rnuff for he srason. sail till fall. then fix. keel is encapsplated and ain't gonna fall off.
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

I would first concentrate on finding the source of this water. Bilge is a big suspect, so is the cockpit drain. Make as many holes in the keel as seem needed, then put a garden hose first to your cockpit drain to see if water is coming out of the holes in the keel. then try to do the same with your bilge. Once you know where the water is coming from, eliminate the leak and patch up the holes in the keel. It is a small boat so it can't be that hard or complicated.
I would buy the cheapest resin for the filler work, like that automotive bondo stuff, thickened with some filler but not too much, so it goes down into the voids in the keel. Then do the outside of the keel with a good marine epoxy.
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

Hey Iam,

If you'd like a second opinion, I am close by and could come take a look.

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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

Thanks Ritchard
I am pressing ahead this week to meet an 11AM crane appointment on Sat but you are welcome to swing by late in the day around 5 – 730. I am just north of the big 5 legged white crane that you can see from the Gardiner at Cherry and Commissioner.

The original repair looks like it was just filler. There was no glass used. I filled in the holes with West systems thickened resin followed by 4 layers of glass and then topped with more thickened resin. I didn’t get the last coat of resin / filler thick enough as it has drooped a bit as it cured and looks a bit bumpy. This was my first experience with fillers so lesson has been learned. I will sand it down as much as I can and deal with making it pretty next fall or spring. Without access to power the sanding of the resin by hand is a PITA, especially crouched down under the hull.

Yesterday I tried to fit a pipe inside the drain pipe but it was a hair too wide. Instead I fashioned a long skinny paint brushe out of a batten and some J-Cloth and used that to “paint” thickened resin inside the pipe. The rest I used on the crack that I can see from inside the boat.

I now think that the clear water in the bilge / keel may have just been snow melt that came in around my drop boards. Once in the water I will see the results of the pipe repairs. Next fall I will add some rubber gasket around the drop boards and more completely tarp the cockpit area to keep out all snow.

I have looked at adding a bilge pump but the plumbing presents a huge challenge. Plus there is the minor technicality of there being no battery on-board. I am an ideal candidate for that wind powered bilge pump perhaps.
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

Iam,

Sounds like you have it somewhat sorted. Q: Do you have a deep sump at the forward end of the keel? If so, is that roughly where you drilled that hole? Do the bilges run to that sump?

I wanted to come by later today but got all tied up.
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

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Iam,

Sounds like you have it somewhat sorted. Q: Do you have a deep sump at the forward end of the keel? If so, is that roughly where you drilled that hole? Do the bilges run to that sump?

I wanted to come by later today but got all tied up.
I will take pictures later but no, there is no deep bilge ....that I can see.

There are two floor boards well behind the mast. The forward one opens up to the iron bar that you would hook onto to lift the boat. The aft opening slopes back under the cockpit. It too is iron but you cannot see where it ends. I will shove my camera down there and see where it goes both aft and down. I do not think it is very deep but pics will tell the tale.

Tonight I need to do last bit of sanding and touch up fibreglass with Bottomkote XXX
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Re: Keel: a.k.a Water Bucket

Repairs done. ready for launch may 10.
After sanding the droopy first coat of filler I elected to add another coat. I mixed it really thick and it spread glass smooth so I went ahead the next day with two coats of bottomkote XXX.

Regarding the cracks in the cockpit drain, I think I had a stroke of genius in the shower this AM. It may have been that I turned over another decade overnight and now qualify for discounted bus tickets or it could just be I have too much crap and not enough RAM to store my thoughts…

I came up with the idea of rubberized roof repair in an aerosol can. I picked up a can and sprayed 4 coats down the cockpit drain, leaving 30 minutes of cure time between each coat. Although a lot of it dripped out onto the ground now the inside of the pipe is smooth, shiny and black. Tomorrow will be the test but in theory the roof repair stays flexible so it SHOULD be ok.

I also sprayed the outside of that drain pipe from inside the cabin. I could only see about 6” of it but that was the part that I had seen the crack. Cabin smells like an asphalt plant but that should go away.
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