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Spider0804 05-07-2014 01:53 AM

Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
I am using 5/32" wire rope for my stays and I was wondering since I can not find stainless 5/32" clips in the us would it be better to use 4/32" or 6/32" clips in their place for now.

http://cdn.toolstation.com/images/13...bbig/27050.jpg

mitiempo 05-07-2014 08:21 AM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
Those are ok for emergency repair but not for normal rigging. Get your rigging swaged properly.

capta 05-07-2014 11:33 AM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
If you are going to use those things to hold up your mast, then I would at the very least, use the correct size. Too small and you may damage the wire; too large and they won't be secure.
Of course, as mentioned above, there are better alternatives and since it's something one does not replace very often, it might be wise to consider them, instead of "jury rigging" your rigging.

SHNOOL 05-07-2014 11:41 AM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
Spider, I'm with these folks above... those things are for temporary fixes only in emergency... again assuming you are talking shrouds/stays... They should be properly swaged, and sized for the boat.

Riggers earn their money for sure... sizing this stuff perfectly is a bear, but since it really only needs done every 5-10 years... best to do it right. The cost of doing it wrong is more than just the price of a mast. While a suppose dismasting is a real possibility no matter what you do, I'd always feel better giving it my best effort to avoid it, and nearly all costs.

christian.hess 05-07-2014 11:54 AM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
or get some mechanical fittings...and diy(but the right way)

jajaja

Capt Len 05-07-2014 12:17 PM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
Spider, you say wire rope. 7 by 19? or? If 1 by 7 or 7 by 19 splicing if easy to learn.It's the modern stylish stuff that needs fancy fittings.

Spider0804 05-07-2014 07:17 PM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
I was going to use it after a swage just to be double sure it did not slip, I dont trust swages 100%, when I took the old ones off the wire had slipped a bit and those were copper.

Also 1x19, that is what the internet said was best for shrouds because of its resistance to stretch and high breaking tolerance.

I should probobly mention this is for a 15 foot dinghy so I am not going to call a rigger for that.

christian.hess 05-07-2014 07:22 PM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
what do you mean AFTER a swage? there is no way you can backup a swage per sey unless you solder the damn wire to the swage itself or melt molten lead and make one...

since its a dinghy your fine

I think I mentioned that nicopress for small dinghies and light loads is a far better methods than these "clips"

like others have mentioned though they are great for emergencies, clipping lose ends together, making a quick fixed stay etc...

Spider0804 05-07-2014 07:25 PM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
Like put one of these on

http://almabolt.com/images/cables/swagingsleeves.gif

Then one of those clips, figured it would be like a insurance policy.

christian.hess 05-07-2014 07:30 PM

Re: Shroud clips, oversized or undersized?
 
yeah they are made from either aluminum or copper/bronze depending on use

I quite like them in fact I have original halyards and stuff on my islander 36 that has them and they are still fine

also notice a lot of dinghies use the more pliable 7x19 wire that is more flexible and will last longer since 1x19 stainless does not like to be bent in hard angles

so if you drop and raise your mast a lot and happen to not be careful you can damage a forestay or something

just a thought

cheers

you can also double up the nicopress fitting too if you want although well done you are fine with one...

good luck


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