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Re: Low Rider

Dude, if your hull is so saturated that you're that heavy aft, you'd see water sloshing around!
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Well.. she certainly looks a little tail-heavy in the photo - and that ain't something a bit of paint will fix.


FWIW, when I bought my boat I found the PO (or a PPO or a PPPO, who knows?) managed to "lose" a lead ingot or three down aft. I found one wedged into the bilge under a pile of crud, another two under the stern gland again buried under more crud and yet another dropped into the bottom of the lazarette (huh?). None were tied down or deliberately placed - "scattered" would be a better description - and she sure handled better once I dug them out and got them off the boat.

I've ceased being amazed at what people find on their boats.
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Re: Low Rider

Thanks for all the replies.

I spent last evening crawling around above the bilge in 85 degree humid weather -- Boating is fun.

I didn't find any lead that shouldn't be there, but I did find a hose that needs some more research to see if it goes anywhere.

I took out some stuff, moved over stuff forward and removed the gas tank from the lazarette. The gas tank was the only thing that made any real difference. It has about 3 gallons in it and moved the waterline in the back up about 1/2 of an inch.

So I think I am looking at two changes.

1. Get a Tohatsu sailpro that weighs around 60 pounds to replace the 100+ pound Honda 9.9 that I have. This will obviously need some investment, but I think getting 40 pounds out of the tail end will probably bring her back up to her lines when the captain is not on board. Anyone want to buy a used Honda 9.9?

2. I think the gas needs to move forward, but I am not sure where to mount it. For weight I guess the best position would be forward low below decks, but that does not seem to safe. The lazarette is also not really the 'safe' place for gasoline either.

Does anyone have a suggestion where to store a 3 gallon portable tank on a 23 footer? "On the cockpit floor" will probably cause issues. I have one of the "EPA" tanks and it bulges something crazy when left in the direct sunlight.

The attached photo shows the cockpit scuppers just above water when I am no one is aboard. I guess that much is good, but the green boot stripe is nowhere to be seen.

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Re: Low Rider

FC, gaining a 1/2" is a good start and shows that you're on the right track - but before worrying about what to put back, I'd be fixing the problem..

Key point: In trimming any boat, weight forward can be just as important as no-weight aft.

May I suggest:
  1. Take everything aft of the companionway that is not bolted down off of the boat. Make sure you can see the hull all around inside and that there are no water tanks or anything else back aft that might be adding weight. When it's completely empty - no cushions, boards, ropes, anchors, nothing other than hull and hull fittings back aft, check the lines.
  2. If there's a buoyancy tank back there, make sure it's dry. Check the lines.
Having done all that:
  1. Add some weight (like the outboard perhaps) up front on the centerline of the boat (or as near as you can get) - either in the forepeak or even just on the deck forward of the mast. Check the lines again.
  2. Adjust the position of the weight (eg. the outboard) in the boat to get the water-line approximately right.
  3. Tell us how much weight that is and where it is and we can hopefully suggest where to go from there.
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Re: Low Rider

Personally, I don't think this is too complicated. Take everything off you can, and put everthing that can't be taken off forward. Remember the effect of weight of an item going from back to front is essentially doubled. It has been suggested that filling the forward water tank on my boat actually makes it punch through chop better (maybe more hobby horsing). And, yes, storing gas in a portable tank below is not safe.

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Re: Low Rider

The part that complicates it, for me, is that I am trying to decide if my engine is way too heavy for the design of my boat. I have not been able to find a manual or anything that tells me about this aspect of the design.

I moved everything except the companionway ladder and the engine into the v birth. I even moved the icebox cover, all the storage compartment covers, the cabin sole insert and the main hatch boards up front.

This definitely made some gains which you can see in the photos. Under power in some chop the boat definitely handles better now.

So what now? I can't keep everything up there. I have to walk around a big hole in the middle of the cabin sole right now.

Thanks again.

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Re: Low Rider

Scott, I don't think there's any question that your current outboard is too heavy for the boat, but it seems to a few of us that you might need more weight in the bow also to get the boat sitting nicely in the water.

Assuming you didn't find anything serious happening back there: with all that gear (incl. the outboard) off of the boat, how far forward of the mast does a heavy weight (say 50 or 100lbs) need to be placed before she is sitting nicely?

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Re: Low Rider

Thanks for all the responses!

With everything moved forward I am fairly happy with the way she floats now.

I think the plan will be to move the battery as far forward as possible, look into a lighter outboard and work out a way to store more things up front.

Thanks again!

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