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We just had a 1975 C&C 38 surveyed today that we want to buy. I have not seen the report yet but spoke to the surveyor and he told me that he found a couple areas in the deck that were wet, he actually used the term "mush". He said the port side around the genoa track and chainplates was the worst. I spoke to a friend that has had the same vintage boat for a long time and he says it's no big deal and easy to fix if you even care to. He said that since the chainplates attach to the hull below its not a structural issue. He said the hull was completely dry and he saw no issues there but I am a bit concerned about the deck.
What do you all think?
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Thanks but that doesn't help me with my dilemma.

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The word "mush" would make me keep looking.


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Re: Wet Decks

To repair this properly means you have to cut the top surface of the deck away, remove the core that is wet mush as far as you have to until you find dry core. Clean it all out, epoxy new core in and glass over.

While the chainplates may be attached to the hull below deck and may be shiny above deck they could be severely compromised in the wet deck area. Stainless is subject to crevice corrosion in the presence of water and lack of oxygen - exactly the conditions in a wet deck.

If you repair it yourself if is not terribly expensive but time consuming and messy. If you pay a yard to do the repair it can be very expensive.

There are lots of boats out there, why buy one in need of a large repair?

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I'll echo what's already been said, and I'm the guy who DIDN'T take that advice. I bought a boat that seemed like a steal.. paid about 1/2 to 1/3 of what my boat may have gone for if it had been in excellent condition. Figured it didn't need a TON of work.. just some cleaning up, and the odd repair here and there. The hull itself is in good condition, the standing rigging is sound, sails are pretty tired and stained but usable for now.. why pay twice as much just 'cause another boat's prettier, right? I'll have fun learning how to work on boats, and save myself a couple thousand dollars at least, right?

Wrong. Between the purchase price and the money I've sunk into some hidden problems in addition to the known problems, I've got more money into the boat than I would have had I just bought one of the top-dollar examples of my boat. I've also got well over 100 hours of labor into it. Of special note is that fact those 100 hours could have been spent sailing, but were spent fixin' to git ready to sail instead.

I'm not complaining as much as it sounds like I am... to be honest, it's been a labor of love (but not always fun), I've learned a ton, and it's a real feeling of accomplishment bringing a beautiful boat back to life after seeing it neglected for years by it's previous owner. I'd still rather have been sailing.

If you like to fix stuff more than you like sailing, then maybe the current boat you mentioned with some mushy spots in the core is for you. Pay next to nothing for the boat if you go that route. You'll end up spending the money in the long run anyway.

Good luck! If you do decide to tackle the project, make sure you post some pics... I want to see folks having as much fun as I did!

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Re: Wet Decks

I appreciate the idea that there are lots of other boats out there but:
We really like this boat and have already paid for the survey. If we can figure out what it will cost to have someone fix the wet spots and adjust the price accordingly why wouldn't we buy the boat?

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Certainly, if you can get a yards estimate and the seller is willing to drop the price accordingly, it may work. This is a very expensive repair by a yard, so be prepared to be surprised.

You get a survey to help you make a decision on the purchase. It almost sounds like you want to make the purchase because you paid for the survey and don't want to waste money. Trust us....this will be one of the smaller amounts you waste along the way.
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Not just because we paid for the survey, it's part of the reason but not all. We really like the boat and the preliminary from the surveyor (I don't have the full report yet) sounds like this is the only serious issue. I asked him if we should run away from the boat and he said no, just that it wasn't worth our agreed upon price and threw out a value about 15% less.

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Certainly, if you can get a yards estimate and the seller is willing to drop the price accordingly, it may work. This is a very expensive repair by a yard, so be prepared to be surprised.

You get a survey to help you make a decision on the purchase. It almost sounds like you want to make the purchase because you paid for the survey and don't want to waste money. Trust us....this will be one of the smaller amounts you waste along the way.
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Not just because we paid for the survey, it's part of the reason but not all. We really like the boat and the preliminary from the surveyor (I don't have the full report yet) sounds like this is the only serious issue. I asked him if we should run away from the boat and he said no, just that it wasn't worth our agreed upon price and threw out a value about 15% less.
15% less should be the offer without any major issues. The best way to proceed is for you to get a yard (not the surveyor) provide an estimate for the repair, then negotiate with the owner.
Keep in mind that what lies beneath could be more problematic - once the work to fix the deck starts, there could be other surprises along the way, this always happens.
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