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Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

For those who will be putting their boats on the hard over the winter. Ace Hardware here in the states has a good deal on -50 degree Antifreeze for water systems for the next few days. $1.99 per gallon. Limit of two. At least the stores in my area have the special.
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

Thank you! Hope not to be using for a while but sadly eventually will...
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

If it is Camco Artic Ban, that is an ethanol/PG blend and is a price-point product. Corrosion protection is unimpressive.

Probably false economy for most. Camco Freeze Ban is a better product (all PG, better corrosion protection) more suited to the marine market.
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

For your plumbing it should be fine if your temps don't go below -30 or so. Use the good stuff in the engine.
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

So if I put that -50 antifreeze in my engine, won't that make the engine too cold to run? What kind of oil do I need if the antifreeze makes my engine that cold?

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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

Nothing other than -100 is used to flush the raw water cooling system on our motors. That's the burst point, the actual freeze point is much, much warmer.

The freeze point for -50 deg antifreeze is around +15 degs (that's plus 15!) No thanks.
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

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Nothing other than -100 is used to flush the raw water cooling system on our motors. That's the burst point, the actual freeze point is much, much warmer.

The freeze point for -50 deg antifreeze is around +15 degs (that's plus 15!) No thanks.
That may be the freeze point but it still won't expand until a lower temp. Of course, if it's diluted, then the freeze point will be even higher. I just ran 10.5 bottles of -50 through my engine (2GM). Some left over from last year so just wanted to use it. I think my engine will be good this year now my boat is back on the trailer.

Some good points about dilution of anti-freeze: Engine - Winter Freeze Protection Photo Gallery by Compass Marine How To at pbase.com

Here's a video, thanks to Maine Sail

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3d2DGIPEAQ
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

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That may be the freeze point but it still won't expand until a lower temp. Of course, if it's diluted, then the freeze point will be even higher. ......
Dillution is another reason I do not use -50 in the motor. There are all sorts of nooks and crannies in the exchanger that may not displace, but rather mix with the antifreeze. -50 degrades exponentially.

As for freeze or burst, I don't like the odds in between. Expansion that hasn't yet reached the theoretical size/pressure to burst something?? Again, no thanks.

Antifreeze, should prevent freezing.
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

Trying to wrap my head around the freeze point being so much less that the rated freeze point listed with a 52% glycol freeze point listed as -40 deg f here's the chart I found FREEZING POINTS FOR SOLUTIONS OF ETHYLENE GLYCOL

GLYCOL
% BY VOLUME
°F
°C
12.5 25 -4
17 20 -7
25 10 -12
32.5 0 -18
38.5 -10 -23
44 -20 -29
49 -30 -34
52.5 -40 -40. Freezing Points of Ethylene Glycol Mixtures
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Re: Ace Hardware Antifreeze deal

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Trying to wrap my head around the freeze point being so much less that the rated freeze point listed with a 52% glycol freeze point listed as -40 deg f here's the chart I found FREEZING POINTS FOR SOLUTIONS OF ETHYLENE GLYCOL

GLYCOL
% BY VOLUME
°F
°C
12.5 25 -4
17 20 -7
25 10 -12
32.5 0 -18
38.5 -10 -23
44 -20 -29
49 -30 -34
52.5 -40 -40. Freezing Points of Ethylene Glycol Mixtures

#1 OP is talking about an "RV" antifreeze. A good-50 product will not be a 50% blend but rather much less, usually between 26% and 31% PG. West Marine Pure Oceans -50 and Star Brite Antigel -50 are two of the best -50F products you can buy (Practical Sailor Sept 2014) and they both have good corrosion inhibition packages too.

#2 We are not discussing EG but rather a PG product. Course the one on sale is not at all likely to be propylene glycol but rather a cheap alcohol blend..


#3 Regardless of what you use for a PG you need to ensure it has not been diluted. The best way to know this is by physically testing what comes out the exhaust or faucets with a refractometer.
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