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im looking at a boat that is on the hard and has a bilge full of water. Now that its winter the water has turned to ice. How much damage could this do the the fibreglass of the hull?
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im looking at a boat that is on the hard and has a bilge full of water. Now that its winter the water has turned to ice. How much damage could this do the the fibreglass of the hull?
So how did the bilge fill up with water...some kind of a fluke accident or just poor housekeeping by the owner? If the latter, what else could be wrong with the boat?
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Re: Ice damage

Toss in some salt and vaccuum it out.
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Serious threat of hull deformation from the weight -- [Fudd] be v-e-w-w-w-y-y-y careful. [/Fudd]
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Re: Ice damage

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So how did the bilge fill up with water...some kind of a fluke accident or just poor housekeeping by the owner? If the latter, what else could be wrong with the boat?
the good thing is the water stayed there long enough to freeze so no hull leaks
but you chould check for locations of ingress
if you have access to a moisture meter you should check the core on deck and look for water marks at the chainplates
and anywhere else rain leakage is not a deal braker as long as you don't have soft decks
the other issue is hardware not bedded properly

mainesail has a real good tutorial on bedding deck hardware
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if you have access to a moisture meter you should check the core on deck and look for water marks at the chain plates
and anywhere else rain leakage is not a deal breaker as long as you don't have soft decks
When it warms up. A moisture meter is not accurate in freezing weather.
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Re: Ice damage

It depends on many factors. Impact could range from none at all to quite serious. It depends on the shape of the bilge, the speed at which the water froze, the build quality of the boat, and probably a few other factors I'm not thinking of.

I've had this happen to me. Never had any damage. In my case the bilge was big and wide, and freeze happened slowly. Ice damages by expanding while it freezes, so as long as the water has an easy dimension to expand into the odds of damage is small(er). I now always dump a bunch of antifreeze (plumbers) into the bilge as part of my winterizing process.

I would want to get the water out. Melt it with heat if you can. Salt or antifreeze would help as well. And I would examine the bilge, keel, and hull very closely in the Spring. As others have said, I would want to know how the water got into the bilge. Could be a sign of serious problems with deck, thru hulls, or hull in general.
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So how did the bilge fill up with water...some kind of a fluke accident or just poor housekeeping by the owner? If the latter, what else could be wrong with the boat?
The boat has been on the hard now for 3 years. The owner has not paid his yard bills. The yard manager says that he owes the same amount that he is asking for the boat. The boat is Canadian and its just across the line in NY. It seems that the owner cannot cross the border to get to the boat. The hole in the deck for the mast must have let the water in. The bilge is full of motor oil floating on top of the ice/water mix. The head door is stuck (from ice lifting the cabin sole?) Im sure that the cabin sole structural has been damaged, and the motor is full of water, as the motor is in the bilge. I know this much, but i am wondering what damage might have been done to the bilge and keel, as the after part of the keel is hollow and deep.

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Re: Ice damage

Even were you to get this boat for free, I'd think this one could become the proverbial hole in the water in which to pour money. I would not go near this boat, for any price.
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