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Can you provide us with the brand name, please. I, for one, would like to investigate this solution. Thanks.
This sounds like any of the new NMEA2000 based equipment. It isn't one wire, it is one cable, that is I believe three or four wires that supplies both the data connection as well as power.
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As much as I dislike my Raymarine C-80

The wind, speed, depth instruments are fairly bullet proof. I've never had a problem with a Raymarine instrument and have had numerous problems with the other brands out there namely Standard Horizon, Datamarine (now DMI) and Simrad. The Simrad was the better of the ones I had issues with but the screen kept condensating. With the Standard & Datamarine they would just stop working.

In a perfect world Garmin would build a wind, speed, depth unit and an auto pilot but that I'm sure it's a ways off. In terms of electronics in general such as GPS's and GPS Plotters Garmin is the best, easiest to use and most reliable. They also have great tech support. I really, really don't like my C-80 at all but the instruments are great..

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I have had all different brands of insturments, The major problem I have had is with the installers, If you have a good installer and a person who knows how to set them up , you will have good luck with the instruments, I have had one installer where I was back at the marina every week with a short ckt or open wire. The cost of installation is one of the factors you should consider when purchasing instruments. Qulaified people are hard to fine.
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No one touches my boat when it comes to the electronics except for me. This actually goes for all systems. First of all I have a college degree as do most boat owners and can read instructions. Second these boat yard hacks 8 times out of 10 are just that hacks. Even here in Maine where we have very high quality boat yards (Hinckley, Morris etc. electronics is a short coming for most of them.

If you let a boat yard install it, and know nothing about the installation other than where the display is, how the heck do you trouble shoot it 200 nm from home without your high school (at best) educated "electronics specialist/installer". C'mon guys this is about safety as much as anything. How many of you cary a lead line, sextant, tide tables, stop watch etc. so when your depth sounder & GPS fails you can navigate in the fog?? How many actually own a multimeter and know how to use it? How many have have a terminal set and crimpers/stripers on board?

This stuff is not rocket science and if you can't fix it yourself you should probably stick to sailing in the protected bays or small lakes. This goes for all systems! Sailing is as much about self sufficiency as it is about pleasure be safe & know your gear and systems inside and out!!!!
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OHHHH My!!!! Jaysus, Mary, and Joseph, the Saints and Our Lady Of Fatima!!!!!!!! (All together at least 4 times)........

What the hell is that in front of your wheel???? Are you short sighted???? Got happy hour at sailboat ellectronics store???

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Picking on people for their boat's setup is really going to be helpful, now isn't it? He obviously enjoys his boat. Why shouldn't he put into it that which he so wishes?

At any rate, I made a trip to Fawcett's in Annapolis today to pick up a seemingly simple cable connector. On our Bayfield 25, the NavMan cable runs through the hull with no connector, so the wire is simply twisted together - not very smart in my book. Fawcett's didn't have what I needed, so they referred me to Electronics Marine, Inc. 'round the corner (see Electronic Marine). The part I needed ended up being $40 (B.O.A.T. part & MILSpec on top of it).

Anyway, whilst there, I asked the gent for the rundown on the electronics scene. Here's what he said (paraphrased of course).

NavMan isn't a bad system. It works pretty well. 'Tis a British organization. They made stuff for some other names for a while and decided to bring their own line out. When they did so in the states, they weren't recognized and so did poorly. As a result they've scaled back their operations. Hence the trouble getting service and parts as they aren't distributing much anymore. From what the gentleman said, NavMan is exiting the states and is being replaced by Northstar.

Northstar is taking over NavMan (at least here - they've either bought the company or something else). They are releasing new equipment later in February/March based upon the NavMan stuff but apparantly much improved. They'll be cheaper than Raymarine and should give that company a run for its money.

Raymarine is a good name. Good stuff, fairly reliable, middle range pricing. A good size product offering.

TackTick is also a good name. Wireless, which makes for easier installations nice instruments. However, the range is limited to 50' (according to Electronics Marine), so larger masts won't benefit from the wireless technology. Good for smaller masts/boats however. Not inexpensive - I'd say upper middle range.

B & G seems to have the best name and a price to match. The products are alleged to be the best on the market.

As far as the GPS/chartplotter goes, I am partial to stuff that uses the CMAP technology - the blinking bouys are very handy and also the ability to overlay, etc. I haven't looked into what Navionics-based stuff can do, but I gather it is a little more limited in functionality (though not necessarily lacking quality where it really counts - in the data itself).

My recommendation (and it isn't worth much considering I haven't had much actual experience with the equipment) is to wait until Northstar's offering has come out to play and compare that to Raymarine's offerings. Unless you've the money to afford the B & G products (none of which I've looked at as they are out of my price range). There are others on the market (Simrad for instance - although I didn't ask about them) that have some neat things, so that bears looking into as well.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

/s/ Jon C. Munson II

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"Picking on people for their boat's setup is really going to be helpful, now isn't it? He obviously enjoys his boat. Why shouldn't he put into it that which he so wishes?"

Dear Lord...I appologise for that....be with the starving Pigmees down in New Guinea....
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Is there some reason you are choosing to criticize the boat owner for his choice of outfitting his craft? I hope your house isn't made of glass...
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Is there some reason you are choosing to criticize the boat owner for his choice of outfitting his craft? I hope your house isn't made of glass...
If you would have read some other posts you would understand we are joking, and why.

So back off!!!!!!!and calm down

And yes, my house is made of glass, but your stones won't get here...

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That depends upon how hard I skip 'em...
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That depends upon how hard I skip 'em...
Do you want to know what we say here???

"skipping stones" may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"

So no stones, ok???

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