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Looking for thoughts on a couple CF repairs

Had the boat delivered last Monday from Chicago, both the yard in Chicago and the transporter caused some damage, that needs immediate attention.

#1 The yard back east used duct tape to secure whatever they were trying to secure mast. when it was received here and the rigger started unwrapping this is what we got, duct tape peeled the finish off



It appears ( but I'm not sure ) that it was a clear coat that was peeled off.

#2 In transport the hull was damaged



Any input on how you would proceed would be greatly appreciated, I have not worked with carbon fiber before

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Re: Looking for thoughts on a couple CF repairs

I learned a long time ago to put duct tape on backwards lt sticks to itself causing no damage, a good alternate is the blue painters tape not as durable but easier to peel anyway. It was on mast work I first saw this done. I know you didn't put it on but you might be there while they are doing it. It depends on the finish how its repaired, farther up the mast it will be less noticeable. Now on the Carbon you need a Pro and that's not me.
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Re: Looking for thoughts on a couple CF repairs

The missing clear coat isn't technically a difficult fix, you just sand down the effected area and respray clear coat. Matching it could be tricky, but a decent professional should be able to make a structural repair (yes clear coat over carbon is structural) easily. A cosmetic fix may require stripping the entire mast and recounting, but I doubt it would come to this.

Damaged laminates repair exactly like fiberglass. Except you should only use epoxy. That's second picture looks like there was damage into the core which is actually a bigger issue in my eyes. I would find the local repair guy for carbon and just have him do the work on the yard/movers dime. I know who my local guy is, and someone in Georgia I could recommend, but flying them up to fix this would not likely be cost effective.

What type of boat btw?

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Wow, you seem so calm. I'd be livid.
I would recommend that you use only the best professional craftsmen you can find and let the insurance companies fight it out.

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Re: Looking for thoughts on a couple CF repairs

The boat is a 49 footer, designed Jim Taylor and built by Goetz Customs, she's really a beauty.and belongs to a friend who's a hell of lot calmer than I.

I pretty confident I can deal with the mast issue after talking to some folks, but not so much in regards to the hull, still got some talking around to do before I pull the trigger on going with an outside contractor.

It's really a shame these guys didn't use their heads on this as its a delay we can't afford.

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Re: Looking for thoughts on a couple CF repairs

Jim Taylor is a good guy and great designer. Used to race with him in Marblehead. Goetz is a great builder. Once they are made aware of the damage I imagine they would send a guy to repair it on site.

We split a rudder housing on a brand new Santa Cruz 70 and Bill Lee flew three guys to Halifax to repair it. They wanted to make sure it was done right on their brand.


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the the hull damage looks like the paint and fairing compound is damaged. I don't see any carbon fiber in the picture. carbon fiber is black. Kevlar is yellow but doubt it is made of kevlar.
as for the mast if the clear comes off with duct tape then the clear is due to be redone. clear on a mast only lasts a couple of years anyway.

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Re: Looking for thoughts on a couple CF repairs

If tape, any kind of tape, pulled off the clearcoat or paint, then either the coating had not been given sufficient time to cure, or the surface under it was not prepped properly. The Polyanna in me says that means the entire coating needs to be redone, not just a fix or patch. If that coating is just on the spars, tell the builder to just take 'em back and send you new proper ones. Unless he wants to find someone local to you that really can strip and recoat spars, that may actually be his best option.

On the hull damage...You know, get bids. And make sure to specify that the resulting repair will be INVISIBLE and GUARANTEED which may mean refinishing an entire side of the hull, if they can't feather the repair in and disappear it. And then of course, use a finish which will AGE the same as the rest of the hull, so it doesn't start to show up again in two years.

Shippers are, hopefully, insured. And if the shipper and the builder are both reputable folks, you should be able to say "Takee fixee!" and let them know you expect a perfect repair--not some half-assed job that will come back to bite you.

Yeah, I'm a hard customer. Your friend is obviously not so hard, otherwise he could have refused the delivery as damaged goods.(G)
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the the hull damage looks like the paint and fairing compound is damaged. I don't see any carbon fiber in the picture. carbon fiber is black. Kevlar is yellow but doubt it is made of kevlar.
as for the mast if the clear comes off with duct tape then the clear is due to be redone. clear on a mast only lasts a couple of years anyway.

I believe this is a brand new boat but could be wrong. In that case the clear coat seems pretty weak. Probably a Hall Spar.


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