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Joesaila,

Great cruise you took. FYI, there's some deeper water on the northeast side of Clark's Island. At low tide, you can get there by going around the west side of the island and following the channel that crosses over the north side. At higher tides you can take a short cut through the channel between the east side of Clark's and Saquish Head. I believe the anchorage I refer to is locally known as the "Sheep's Pen" (I could be mistaken), and there usually are a few larger boats moored up there. It is a nice spot -- we sounded it in our sailing dinghy last summer at low tide and it remains plenty deep. Worth the extra bit of distance for a good night's sleep. - John
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Rusty Anchor? Hot Dip it and save a bundle!

So after Craig cleared up the confustion on lead inserts on CQR anchors (there aren't any) I ran my old anchors and chain to the hot dip place. These things came back looking like new. At 37 cents a pound I got a 60 lb CQR, 35 lb CRR, ~35 lb Fortress, and 300 ft of 3/8 BBB chain done for $204 USD. Replacement cost would have run close to $3,000.

Don't know why more people don't hot dip thier steel anchor gear. Before and after shot below of the big CQR.

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Don't know why more people don't hot dip thier steel anchor gear. Before and after shot below of the big CQR.
People do, frequently. In hard use in abrasive seabeds, the galvanizing on any anchor might be expected to last no more than three or four years.

But, when the consensus amongst those with experience is increasingly like this, perhaps a replacement of some sort would be in order regardless?

A CQR would look more the part with a bit of rust, in its role as garden ornament
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The CQR is a LAWN ornament!! It's reign of KING anchor is OVER!

I have two genuine CQR's and can't even sell them for 1/4 the price they were when new. Perhaps it's because I refuse to sell them to anyone anchoring in the state of Maine or anywhere near me. My guess is that people really know & DON'T want the danger of owning a poor setting, holding & generally unreliable anchor when compared to today's new generation anchors.

Damn it Rocna, Manson & Spade your anchors are too good now my CQR is relinquished to a glorified paper weight cause I certainly can't sell them.
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Halekai- I appreciate your testing and researching all of those anchors, and share your concern about which anchors others use and how they "set" them (especially when they are close to me). I see way too many 40' power boats with a 15lb danforth hanging off the bow, fortunately most of those never stray far from the marinas. From what I have read here and in the magazines I would probably try a Rocna if I were shopping for another anchor. The reason that I am not interested in another anchor is because I have had such excellent results over the last 14 years with my Bruce. We cruise in Washington and BC, and have anchored in every type of bottom there is here and have always had fast, positive sets and have never drug even in 30+ knots and repeated current direction changes. I set it with the engine just above idle in reverse, and after it is set I increase RPM up to about half throttle for long enough to determine that we aren't moving at all. We anchor all the time when we are out cruising except when it's necessary to stay in a slip, maybe 1 out of 5-6 days. Our boat is a 34' Northsea Pilothouse that displaces 13-14,000lbs when loaded and we use a 33lb Bruce with 35' of 3/8" chain and then 3/4" nylon rode. I normally use a scope of four or five (sometimes less if it is crowded and winds are predicted to be light) and usually anchor in 3-6 fathoms. If I had had problems setting or dragging I would have a collection of anchors like you do, and would continue searching until I found one that worked every time. But that is not the case, I'm continually impressed with it and even bought another (used) when I realized Bruce was no longer selling the small anchors anymore. I don't know how to account for the difference in results, I read every anchor test and I'm continually surprised that the Bruce doesn't rank higher in holding power based on my experience with it. I should mention that our anchor is an original Bruce, not a copy. I am not debating your statements about the Bruce, I'm sure your results were not satisfactory, it must be differences in the types of bottom. If I ever stray outside the NW Coast I'll probably be shopping for a Rocna, or maybe I'll just get one now as a backup in case I ever have a situation where the Bruce won't hold. Thanks again for your observations and experiences with the different anchors.
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What I can't understand is how someone can buy a boat, spending thousands, or hundreds of thousands of dollars on it.... and not bother with investing in a good ground tackle setup. I see many 30-40' boats, both power and sail, that have woefully undersized and inadequate anchors on them. Also, many of these boats don't have properly sized cleats or mooring bitts to attach their anchor rode to, even if they do have a decent anchor. IMHO, good ground tackle is like a good but inexpensive insurance policy. You don't want to skimp on it... or size it for "nice weather", cause the times you're really going to need are, it isn't going to be "nice weather".
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JRD- I think we can all agree that the anchor is simply a tool. The way we use it is probably more important to successful anchoring than the tool itself. It's for this reason that anchor testing is flawed from the get go. Kind of like a golfer buying an expensive driver hoping to increase the distance and accuracy of the drive. But at the end of the day they can't buy a swing.

This past week I finally got a chance to use my Rocna 40. I must admit that I was a little startled at how fast it set. I kept having my wife back down hard a few times just to be sure. Granted the bottom was sand one time and mud the other but it set and set well. I was also shocked at the amount of bottom that came up with it. I needed a boat hook to push the muck off.
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This past week I finally got a chance to use my Rocna 40. I must admit that I was a little startled at how fast it set. I kept having my wife back down hard a few times just to be sure. Granted the bottom was sand one time and mud the other but it set and set well. I was also shocked at the amount of bottom that came up with it. I needed a boat hook to push the muck off.

Damn, a Rocna 40, it must bring up about 70 lbs. of mud with it... my Rocna 15 brings up about 30 lbs or so everytime I use it. Just curious as to what size boat you have to need a Rocna 40??
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Hunter 49. She weighs in around 36,000 lbs wet. With a high freeboard and all the windage I decided to buy one size larger than recommended.
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Yes, probably a good idea, and helps with getting a good night's sleep. BTW, that's almost 10x what my boat displaces... So, my Rocna 15 is probably a bit oversized...
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