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mounting cam to aluminum toerail

I have a jib line(furling) that runs aft through a couple of fairleads along the deck, but there is nothing to tie off to except the stern cleat. I would like to set the line up so it runs through a cam(exit?) mounted on the aluminum toerail aft of the companionway, so its easy to singlehand. I think that if I mount an exit cam just aft of the pedestal, the 90 degree angle will be just right to work singlehand. I have seen it on a few other boats in the harbor.
My main question is how do I mount the cam to the toerail? Is there a better option?
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You probably don't really want a furling line on a cam cleat. Camcleats are best for lines that are frequently adjusted... and the last thing you want with a furling headsail is for the furling line to come out accidentally, especially during a storm or heavy weather. A better idea would be to install another cleat for the furling line.
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I like to keep mooring cleats free for mooring. I can see the appeal of a cam cleat but as sd points out, that's not really secure. Still, if you want to mount a cleat of any kind on the toerail...you can take two pieces of suitable wood and through-bolt them to the in/outside of the toerail passing through the existing holes in it. Now you've got a wood anchor point to install the cleat in, without compromising the toerail itself. (And you can move it, without drilling still more holes in the toerail.)

IF your toerail IS wood...well, yeah, I suppose that's even simpler.
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Well, for now I've decided to shackle a block to the existing hole in the toerail and just tie off to the mooring cleat. I may add a dedicated cleat later. Does the jib furling line really have that much resistance that it needs a cleat and not a cam? I looked at the J105s in the harbor and they have the line on the coach roof through a cam and into a sheet bag. no cleat involved.
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Well, for now I've decided to shackle a block to the existing hole in the toerail and just tie off to the mooring cleat. I may add a dedicated cleat later. Does the jib furling line really have that much resistance that it needs a cleat and not a cam? I looked at the J105s in the harbor and they have the line on the coach roof through a cam and into a sheet bag. no cleat involved.
I suspect the force (resistance) exerted on the furling line is very small - after all how hard does it pull back after furliing? The issue is that you need 100% ABSOLUTE certainty that the furling line will not accidentally release, as to do so would likely result in the destruction of the sail, and other undesireable risks. A properly cleated line will not release - a cam is far less certain.
If the J105 has their furling line run through a cam, I'd say they are asking for trouble, they may get it or may not, who needs the risk? perhaps there's more to that setup than meets the eye.
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Hmmm, good point. I am going with the cleat. And anyway, its less expensive.
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The purpose of anything and everything on a J/boat is to save weight and go faster.

Now, if those guys were really being competitive they'd have cross-drilled the clam cleat to make it lighter, too.
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Well, for now I've decided to shackle a block to the existing hole in the toerail and just tie off to the mooring cleat. I may add a dedicated cleat later. Does the jib furling line really have that much resistance that it needs a cleat and not a cam? I looked at the J105s in the harbor and they have the line on the coach roof through a cam and into a sheet bag. no cleat involved.

Mine (Facnor code zero), has a continuous loop line, it comes straight from the furler, up the cabin, into the area near the companionway. I then have two jaw cleats to secure both lines.

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