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Bottom paint for Pacific Northwest

After 3 seasons on Georgian Bay, this year's spring prep is going to be a bit different.
We're moving to Victoria, BC this summer and have decided to take our cherised CS36 with us.
This hull has never seen salt. The heat exchanger seems to be in reasonable shape. We're replacing zincs and the remaining older through hulls, but the main project is getting the bottom ready.

We currently apply 1 coat of VC17 yearly, which has probably a few thousandths' buildup at most.
Our plan is to keep the boat in the water, hauling every 2-3years for new bottom paint.
Realistically, she is mostly going to be tied up at the dock: At most, we're looking at 2 or 3 day or weekend trips per month, 1 or 2 week long trips over the summer and minimal use over the winter.
Our cruising ground is going to be the Salish Sea and cruising/sailing speed is about 5-6 knots.

Plan is to have the yard here sand off all the VC to gelcoat and apply new bottom paint prior to trucking.
I would appreciate some recommendations on what folks commonly use out west.
Searching prior threads, it seems ablatives (eg. Micron CSC) are most common but I wonder if a hard bottom (eg. Petit Trinidad) is more suited for our infrequent use.
Never done this before, so open to all suggestions!

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Re: Bottom paint for Pacific Northwest

I bought a boat last summer and had it hauled for bottom job and some other repairs. This 1986 boat had been mostly in fresh water, but I was taking her to salt water to live up in Port Angeles. I discussed bottom paints with the yard owner and every option he gave me was some form of ablative paint. The other boat owners I've talked with since all use ablative bottom paint. I expect to haul every other year based on feedback I've gotten from other owners.

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Re: Bottom paint for Pacific Northwest

Bottom paint one of my favorite subjects , one thing I found out is that for our boat a barrier coat is useless . Reason for that is the hull produces blisters because of the lay up it's self nothing to do with water penetration . Now because you are up there and I'm down here all I can do is tell you what works for us . First time we painted (25yrs.ago) we used Pettit Trinadad it has a extremely high copper content , it worked well it lasted ok but I like to go a little longer like 5 yrs. instead of 3 yrs . like you should . At the end of 5 yrs. we were covered with bare spots and my diver took me off his Christmas list . About 10 yrs. ago my yard manager told me to use Z Spar B-90 same copper content as the Pettit but is a harder paint and will lasts 5 yrs . And it does , but that is false economy because after 3 yrs. it quits working but at least you don't get bare spots . Please enjoy some pics.


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Re: Bottom paint for Pacific Northwest

I had good luck with the Woolsey Neptune ablative bottom while in Seattle. link for you here:

http://www.woolseypaint.com/2016Wool...ublication.pdf


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Re: Bottom paint for Pacific Northwest

We used Micron CSC for decades but lately I've switched to Petit horizons.. goes farther, costs less, and the slime falls off on its own once you start moving. Cleans easier with a brush too. We are getting 2+ years out of it.
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Re: Bottom paint for Pacific Northwest

I realize the OP will be in BC but just in case people from WA are reading this, note the new regs on copper bottom paint:

RCW 70.300.020
Antifouling paint containing copper.
(1) Beginning January 1, 2018, no manufacturer, wholesaler, retailer, or distributor may sell or offer for sale in this state any new recreational water vessel manufactured on or after January 1, 2018, with antifouling paint containing copper.
(2) Beginning January 1, 2020, no antifouling paint that is intended for use on a recreational water vessel and that contains more than 0.5 percent copper may be offered for sale in this state.
(3) Beginning January 1, 2020, no antifouling paint containing more than 0.5 percent copper may be applied to a recreational water vessel in this state.
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First time we painted (25yrs.ago) we used Pettit Trinadad it has a extremely high copper content , it worked well it lasted ok but I like to go a little longer like 5 yrs. instead of 3 yrs . Like you should .
5 years "like you should"? A completely unrealistic expectation for any anti fouling paint.
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5 years "like you should"? A completely unrealistic expectation for any anti fouling paint.
Depends on your region, right?

As to the OP, I've had very good luck up here in the PNW with PPG's ABC #3. We're currently on our fifth year, and will most likely haul this spring for new. My experience of course is anecdotal, as are other opinions here. YMMV.

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5 years "like you should"? A completely unrealistic expectation for any anti fouling paint.
Yes Fstbttms my friend , 5 yrs is to long that's why I said "3 yrs like you should" . I don't think you really read my post , no matter. You being a diver and all what is your favorite paint ?

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Depends on your region, right?
No, it does not. Anti fouling paints leach their biocides at the same rate 24/7/365 regardless of where they are being used. Properly applied, these products will deplete their biocides in about 3 years or so. That is simply the nature of the beast. If you feel that your paint is still working well after 5 years, it is not because the paint is still doing its job. It's because fouling is not a real issue in your sailing grounds.
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