effectiveness of solar & wind

[camaraderie]

Lelalu...you again are wrong...panels do NOT put out their full rated output when pointed at the sun. Only when the sun's ANGLE TO THE ATMOSHERE is sufficient to panels get the full power of the sun do they put out their full output so that is why you were in your own words:
ONLY GETTING 7.5AMPS at 10:30 this morning AND
Getting at least 6 hours a day of 8 AMPS

If your panels were pointed at the sun you should be getting 10 hours a day at 8 amps so you are wrong.
Fixed panels do not give 100% of their output when off axis either put they don't shut off like you "triple the power" comment would have us believe. You may own them and be happy with them but you don't know what the hell you are talking about and you just keep digging the hole deeper. I don't have to own a product to determine that it can't violate the laws of nature!

[sailingdog]

LaLeLu-

Again... making assumptions not in evidence... the panels are mounted separately on an 18' wide trimaran. Each panel is totally independent of the other... I can deploy the port, the starboard or both panels as needed.

I also find it very interesting that you try to throw the discussion towards the way my panels are mounted and away from your argument that the 50W panel you have can generate as much electricity as an 150W fixed mount panel.

[TrueBlue]

I'm not getting into this futile debate, but one reason I no longer frequent the Lats & Atts site is because of this same attitude, from regulars who hang in "The Bilge" forum.

Looks like the tag team of conchyjoe & LaLeLu have migrated over here to Sailnet.

[camaraderie]

LelaLu...you are once again wrong. Full output is only achieved when both the panels are pointed at the sun AND the sun is high enough over the horizon to generate a full output. This is why YOU only get 7.5 amps at 10:30 AM and see 8 amps for 6 hours a day rather than the 12 hours a day that the sun is availlable to be pointed at with your panels.
Furthermore...fixed panels don't put out their full output except for the 4 hours a day or so that the sun is overhead BUT they still provide usable output for several hours on either side of that making your "triple the output" claim simply laughable.
Interestingly you claim that I am slamming the product which I have not done...NOR do they make any of YOUR claims on their website. So just who is trying to pull the wool over anyone else's eyes.
As a moderater I have NO DUTY to curtail my personal opinions and I am not in the employ of sailnet. I simply am asked to remove spam and limit offensive posts. I make no claim to special expertise and indeed there are others here that know more about batteries and electricity than I do. I do KNOW a lot more than you about it apparently and won't allow ridiculous assertions that even the manufacturer of your product doesn't make to go unchallenged.

[LaLeLu]

While I am really enjoying the dog pile over here - I see that it is quite futile to argue with you folks who, while you have no personal experience with the product, feel compelled to give your derrogatory opinions. I am not new to this bb - but I did stop posting here for just this reason - I'm not into the dog pile. (btw, did you know that the earth is not flat?)

To anyone else that has read this thread and is interested in the product, my personal experience is that it meets or exceeds all the manufacturers claims. I would extend an invite to anyone who's in the area to show you how it works and how we installed ours. The boat's in Harbor Town marina in Merritt Island, Fla. I'll even show you my 10 hour amp reading record - if you promise not to show it to Comaraderie

Later!

[camaraderie]

Gee Susan ...that is very polite of you. Unlike your post over at Lats and atts...
Hi all, I am getting my butt whooped over on the Sailnet Board. Dog piled by a bunch of fags. Just needed to come over here for a little comforting.

Hmmm...two faced maybe?? Too much for a girl like you to actually have to deal with facts?? Awww....too bad. Maybe someday you'll take that big sailboat out of the slip and actually go somewhere gain some real experience instead of drinking the kool-aid from product brochures. That's right...go get some lats and atts hugs.

[conchyjoe]

Cam and all,

Let me be the voice of reason here for a moment.

I apologize if my post sounded like a personal attack. "young whipper snapper" was a term my grandfather used when I was being a little smart aleck. And I think this thread has a little of that from everyone. I expect apologies all around.

I am only reflecting on personal, non-compensated, first hand knowledge of a show demo, and an actual install of the product on LeLaLu.

I already know what the PS test has determined, and you will be shocked and amazed.

Let me just point out that everything is arbitrary. 12V is arbitrary. Batteries operate around 13.8 actually. Solar panels are different. The sun shines differently in different parts of the world, etc.

I just know what I saw, and call it FM if you wish, but I saw it with my own two eyes, twice. That is all I am saying.

And if you don't subscribe to PS for their non-compensated, first hand knowledge of products, you need to have your head checked. Just click the little link over there on the left, save a few trees, and order the online version.

PS, no I am not TooKewl, Cam can verify that easily.

[Freesail99]

[QUOTE][I am only reflecting on personal, non-compensated, first hand knowledge of a show demo, and an actual install of the product on LeLaLu.
/QUOTE]

Conchy Joe, don't you have a web site and isn't this product being advertized on it ? So how are you "non-compensated" ? This post isn't all that different then was posted on SSCA.

[Cruisingdad]

That was a nice reply Conchy.

I am not bringing up a sore point and I sure do not want another heated debate, but are you saying you have seen a 100W panel put out close to 100amps in 10-11 hours?

Also, others have asked for pics of my arch and panels, so I will replicate them here:

Here are the panels. 4- Kyocera 130's. They are wired in series to an Outback MX60.



Here is the arch, 2 inch aluminum.

[conchyjoe]

Originally Posted by Freesail99

Conchy Joe, don't you have a web site and isn't this product being advertized on it ? So how are you "non-compensated" ? This post isn't all that different then was posted on SSCA.

FreeSail99, Conchyjoe.com cost me about $300 to put together. $100 for the site, $150 for the logo, and $50 misc. cost.

I put the site together to give people a place to ask "technical" questions, and get an unbiased opinion. In a way that was accomplished. Just read some of the posts. There are some good questions answered. And not just by me.

I'm independently wealthy, so I don't need the advertising dollars. T-shirt, khaki shorts, flipflops, and a Rolex.