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midlife, Thats all there is to it. I thought I invented it until this thread. its so easy it seems evil.
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...call a " Gathering wrap "...
I think the term for this whipping is a common whipping.
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That picture is correct for a Lark's head knot, but INcorrect for a Prussik. The cord makes two loops around the pole in a Prussik, adding the extra friction bite that allows it to be used to climb poles--or other lines.
A Prussik is considered good under load only, it will not hold when slack, so I'd be reluctant to use it or a lark's head for any foresail. Holding up a fender on the lifeline, for short term, sure. (With an added hitch to keep it longer.)
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I've been using today's torrential downpoars to clean up the boat and also search the web for an appropriate knot to use for my genoa. Although experiences here seem to show otherwise, the consensus that I've seen on knot sites says that the cowhitch (or Lark's head) is an unstable knot when tension is applied to only one side. But it is so simple and compact that I didn't want to dispense with it.
There is a knot called the "Pedigree cow hitch" which tucks the standing end into the knot and makes it bind upon itself. As I have 2 sheets going to the ring I opted to tie 2 mirror image pedigree cow hitches with the additional refinement that the excess standing ends feed into each other, doubling the potential binding.

The result, even with my 18mm sheets is quite compact and I'm sure it will hold up well.

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Zanshin, (common whipping.) that's what she did, and if she remembers the bet, I out 500 bucks

hellosailor, I wasn't so reluctant to use the larks head because I needed to try something else besides the bowline and being a new sail, it needed new sheets and so I gave it a try......I will difineitly stay with the larks head



oh, and what I did was cropped that imagine to show only the Larks head, the wording " Prussik Knot " is for the knot imagine below the larks head............sorry, I suck at graphics

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I've been using today's torrential downpoars to clean up the boat and also search the web for an appropriate knot to use for my genoa. Although experiences here seem to show otherwise, the consensus that I've seen on knot sites says that the cowhitch (or Lark's head) is an unstable knot when tension is applied to only one side. But it is so simple and compact that I didn't want to dispense with it.
There is a knot called the "Pedigree cow hitch" which tucks the standing end into the knot and makes it bind upon itself. As I have 2 sheets going to the ring I opted to tie 2 mirror image pedigree cow hitches with the additional refinement that the excess standing ends feed into each other, doubling the potential binding.

The result, even with my 18mm sheets is quite compact and I'm sure it will hold up well.

I'm confused. Are you used a single line for the sheets or two lines?
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I'm confused. Are you used a single line for the sheets or two lines?
that's for two sheets ( lines )
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wumhenry - I posted an existing picture of the Pedigree cow hitch; imagine a mirror image to the left of that and the bitter ends each going into the turns of the other. I have 2 separate sheets, so needed 2 knots.
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I sailed today in 25+ kts of wind and the new pedigree cow hitch knots held up very well and didn't cause me any problems at all while tacking! I'm a happy camper - thanks to all in this invaluable forum!
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