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Boyancy Compensator - used for diving to fine tune your flotation to offset your weight belt & gear. Kind of like a fish's flotation bladder.
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Ahh... last I checked Buoyancy Compensators were all manually inflated... which is not so useful if you're knocked unconscious or stunned as you go overboard... you end up dead...

I have used and tested auto-inflate PFDs—specifically a Spinlock Deckware Pro and a Mustang MD200 "LIFT" series one... they can be a bit startling if you never used one. However, most do work, if properly maintained. The Mustang "LIFT" series of PFDs has its buoyancy pretty low, for much the same reasons that CCP cites...
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Have you ever tested an auto-inflate pfd?
Not yet. But, given your comments, perhaps I should. Then again: I had assumed somebody'd already done that and confirmed their efficacy.

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Suppose you're knocked-out as you fall overboard and your pfd inflates. Will it keep you from drowning? I doubt it.
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Since then I have worn an old Scubapro vest BC on all crossings.
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It has a big, manually operated Co2 bottle - no auto-inflate, but hey nothing's perfect.
There's a bit of an inconsistency in your argument, there.
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Not yet. But, given your comments, perhaps I should. Then again: I had assumed somebody'd already done that and confirmed their efficacy.

There's a bit of an inconsistency in your argument, there.
You want it to auto-inflate? Fine, go ahead and install auto-inflate. I've decided to go with manual inflate, as have thousands of others. My only point is that the units you're looking at are - IMHO - better than nothing but they don't make for a very good lifejacket. As a lifejacket, they suck. If you're unconscious, I can't imagine them keeping you from drowning. In the placid water of lake woebegone they work perfectly, I'm sure.

Let's give a hand to SD for going the extra mile - that is, for knocking himself out just to test the latest and most advanced personal safety gear. Not too many people would do that.

Before you spend alot of money try one out in the water and decide for yourself. Take note: Perhaps Sailingpuppy has never ventured outside of Cape Cod Bay. He doesn't know what a BC is. Seems strange for an apparent old salt.

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Actually, if you read the PFD reviews from BoatUS, or Practical Sailor, or Equipped.Org...you'd find that certain PFDs will in fact turn you face up in water, while others won't. And some will turn you face up only when properly adjusted in the water, so you need to adjust them while in the water before deciding how to wear them.

With an autoinflate PFD and a crtochstrap you stand at least some chance of being rotated face-up and kept alive after a head strike on the way overboard. Without it? you stand much less chance. Near zero.

ScubaPro BC? Yeah, I used my BC before I got my then-still-illegal PFD. A Crewfit that still rates tops for keeping the wearer face-up and out of the water. I figured since the marine guards on the presidential helo used BCs, they probably would work well enough for me. And, my BC has almost twice the lift of most PFDs on the market. (More lift means my face and nose are higher out of the water, or I can help keep someone else up.)

But today? Uhuh, wouldn't use the BC. Too Much Stuff and if I'm going overboard...the only time I'm really concerned will be if I'm unconcious, when that autoinflate needs to kick in and count.

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You want it to auto-inflate? Fine, go ahead and install auto-inflate. I've decided to go with manual inflate, as have thousands of others. My only point is that the units you're looking at are - IMHO - better than nothing but they don't make for a very good lifejacket. As a lifejacket, they suck. If you're unconscious, I can't imagine them keeping you from drowning. In the placid water of lake woebegone they work perfectly, I'm sure.
Well, I hope that you never fall overboard in an incapacitated state. BTW, the shock of falling in to cold water can prevent you from being able to inflate your buoyancy compensator... so I guess you might get the Darwin award you seem to working towards.

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Let's give a hand to SD for going the extra mile - that is, for knocking himself out just to test the latest and most advanced personal safety gear. Not too many people would do that.
Only an idiot would think that testing the auto-inflation component of a PFD would require an unconscious tester... Jumping into the water with an auto-inflate PFD that is about the get the cartridge switched out for maintenance reasons is a good time to test it, since you'll be replacing the cartridge/tablet in any case.

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Before you spend alot of money try one out in the water and decide for yourself. Take note: Perhaps Sailingpuppy has never ventured outside of Cape Cod Bay. He doesn't know what a BC is. Seems strange for an apparent old salt.
Some of us don't scuba dive, and last I checked, a BC is scuba diving equipment, not sailing equipment. But, maybe you don't realize that, since you don't seem to have the ability to distinguish significant differences.
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I bought my Mustang for $180. Prices change, Defender and other stores have sales, it just goes that way.

My biggest issue with inflatables, which was especially bad with Mustang, is a size of the neck part - it is very tight around the neck, when inflated. I had it on over a t-shirt and the thing almost choked me. If the thing is worn over a jacket or some sort of foul weather gear - it will be worse. And I am not a particularly large person either.
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...I used my BC before I got my then-still-illegal PFD. A Crewfit that still rates tops for keeping the wearer face-up and out of the water. I figured since the marine guards on the presidential helo used BCs, they probably would work well enough for me. And, my BC has almost twice the lift of most PFDs on the market. (More lift means my face and nose are higher out of the water, or I can help keep someone else up.)

But today? Uhuh, wouldn't use the BC. Too Much Stuff and if I'm going overboard...the only time I'm really concerned will be if I'm unconcious, when that autoinflate needs to kick in and count.
hellosailor--

This might interest you. Take a look at the lastest Mustang high performance PFD at the link below. Notice how as the product evolves it looks more and more like a vest-style scuba diving BC. In fact, this version is almost identical to a scubapro BC - the photo of which I posted above. The only thing missing is build quality and a blow-in valve for manual inflation.

Also, any jacket-style scuba BC that accepts a Co2 cartridge can be set-up to auto inflate.

The product in the image below is just a cheap rip-off of the Scubapro classic BC, which was first introduced in the 1950s. Does that thing look like it's worth $379? Notice how this version is called the Mustang "survival vest" which seems to indicate that their other models offer something less than survival.

Mustang LIFT Inflatable PFD

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Not all BC's can be made autoinflate, unless you've got some inflator that just happens to match a standard CO2 screw thread. I don't.

Mustang seems to have taken a page from BC design, i.e. the lower down you put the air pocket--the more chance that it actually translates into bouyancy. Took 'em long enough.

Brak, if you think a PFD resembles a hangman's noose...try the vest that is packed under every airline "overwater" seat. Nuh-uh, if I ever need to use on of those, it ain't going around my neck no matter how nicely the stew begs.
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