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Semi,
Defender has one on sale...
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|406|694|319792&id=60320
Thanks for the pointer, sailhog.

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Jim,
If you do anything more than stay on board once in a blue moon
Actually, we were planning on cruising the Great Lakes with this boat, some day. That's why we went for a 30' boat, rather than a day sailer.

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or want to boil water for tea or coffee then throw the bugger overboard and get gas.
What?!?! You can't boil water on these things? Gotta be able to boil water. Gotta be able to make coffee and tea.

Maybe it's just in Australia water won't boil on 'em?



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Properly installed its as safe as anything else and you will not grow old waiting for the water to boil.
Ah, they will boil water... eventually. Hmmm...

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Both my last two boats came with 'alcohol' (we call it metho down here) stoves and they were jettisoned right quickly.
I'll take it under advisement. Would prefer to avoid having to do that, but it's gotta be able to boil water in my lifetime, else, really, what's the point?

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The Origo stoves are relatively low-heat outpu devices and take longer than a propane or butane stove to heat water, since they have a much lower BTU rating. Also, propane is cheaper per BTU.

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The West Marine stores have stopped stocking the Origo stove. I picked up the last 2-burner 3000 at my local store for $148 this spring. That's less than half of what Defender was asking. I wasn't planning on replacing my original Kenyon, but at that price I grabbed it. Having used Kenyons for 20+ years I can say they are a bit finicky and parts are becoming harder to find. The Origo is much simpler to operate and seems to produce a bit more heat than the Kenyon did. If your current Kenyon is working fine, go with it. If not, or you don't want to deal with the preheating ritual, get an Origo.
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Alcohol can be mastered, but I consider it strictly for casual use (cans of soup, pots of coffee made in a mere 30 minutes). Given its BTU output and its cost, it has got to be the most expensive fuel available...when you can find "cooking alcohol".

I too had a Kenyon Homestrand...and converted it to propane.
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The Origo burners are rated at 7000 Btu/hr. Most propane burners are rated at 5000 to 9000 Btu/hr. Sounds like a wash to me. Denatured stove achohol is about $10/gallon at my local hardware store - about enough for a season of cooking on weekend cruises and an annual 1-2 week cruise. Converting to propane with new stove, tanks, regulator, hoses, solenoid, etc. is a major expenditure. Probably not worth it for an older, smaller boat.
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Most alcohol stoves will work just fine with Denatured Alcohol, which is available at almost every hardware store or home building supply shop I've ever been in.

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I had Origos on my two previous boats, and was thinking about getting one for the boat I have now, (it came with a Force 10 propane). Was pretty nervous about sailing around with a tank of pressurized gas, particularly with older hoses and solenoid.

Price of Origos here is about the same as the price of propane stoves - actually a bit more if you want the oven. So decided to economise and replaced the propane control system and now am glad that I did. Cooking onboard is no longer "camping". Two gas burners and a gas oven - decent meals are no more difficult to prepare than they are ashore. Big difference from the Origo because we can control the heat much more effectively, and they do get a lot hotter...I am looking forward to using the oven to cook dinner in the fall, it will warm up the cabin nicely after a sail in the cool weather.

If I was looking for a stove replacement - I would get propane. If you have the room, there is a Force 10 model that has two burners and a compartment underneath that is sized to hold a microwave - which would be a real boon to have when you are alongside (draws too much power to use at sea).

The pressurised alcohol stoves are pretty dangerous INHO.
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compartment underneath that is sized to hold a microwave - which would be a real boon to have when you are alongside (draws too much power to use at sea)
Are you sure ?

I just ask because I have a small microwave that I used off of a small inverter powered by 2 marine deep cycle batteries and it did just fine. It was just a little el'cheapo unit from Kmart or somewhere, like a college kid would have in their dorm room, wasn't even digital it had a little bell thing that you turned and it counted down and dinged. Worked great though, I cooked a lot of stuff in it when I was traveling through Central America.
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I just ask because I have a small microwave that I used off of a small inverter powered by 2 marine deep cycle batteries and it did just fine. It was just a little el'cheapo unit from Kmart or somewhere, like a college kid would have in their dorm room, wasn't even digital it had a little bell thing that you turned and it counted down and dinged. Worked great though, I cooked a lot of stuff in it when I was traveling through Central America.
I haven't used one myself, so my statement is more generalisation than fact. The microwaves I have looked at have had draws that would pooch my batteries in about 2 meals. I have no solar panels or any method of charging outside of the engine, which I don't like to use if I can avoid it.
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