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Awlgrip or Awlcraft 2000? which is best?

Looking to topcoat soon. Researching Awlgrip products, it comes down to Awlgrip polyester Urethane or Awlcraft 2000 Acrylic Urethane. Which is best for durability, scratch resistance, touchup spot painting, workability, smoothest finish either by roller, brush or spray. Easiest to wetsand and buff out? Couldn't I use PPG tried and true Acrylic Urethane Delstar? Is Awlgrip really that good? Can Epoxy resin clears be put over Awlgrip products? Any inputs or experiences, thanks
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There's a good thread on this here:
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/showth...light=awlcraft

Read Halekai's posts. I love my Awlgrip but he is right about touching up and maintenance. ...and yes you can put clear coat over Awlgrip colors.
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I would go with the acrylic polyureathane paints, as they're easier to maintain and repair IMHO.
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Can someone explain to me the difference between these two coatings?

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They're both two-part linear polyureathane coatings. However, the main difference is one is an Acrylic-based polyureathane, and this paint is a bit more forgiving in terms of being able to re-touch it if scratched or damaged. The other is a polyester-based polyureathane, and it is much more difficult to re-touch or repair damaged areas. Also, the acrylic-based on can be buffed, waxed and compounded like an automotive finish generally can, the polyester one can not.
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I laymans terms..

OK this is the best way to describe the difference between Awl Grip and Awl Craft 2000 or Imron.

AwlGrip - When Awlgrip (or any other polyester LPU) cures the clear solids tend to separate out from the pigment and form a very tough but thin clear coat like layer over the pigment layer. Picture putting oil & water into and jar and shaking it. The two seem to blend together for a while but eventually the oil rises to the surface. This is not exactly what Awlgrip does but it's the easiest way to describe it's curing process I know of. The "outer shell" or "clearcoat" layer is very, very tough with Awlgrip but also very, very thin. Once you have abraded or worn through this very thin layer the Awlgrip is dead, ruined and kaput and will require constant maintenance such as wax to hide the abrasions.

We've all seen the boat in the boat yard where the winter cover chaffed through the "outer shell" or the fender marks that have worn through as well leaving dull patches of exposed pigment which does not buff out well at all. This is because the fenders or winter cover have worn through the "outer skin" of the Awlgrip thus ruining a 10k paint job!

I've owned two boats with Awlgrip and I will NEVER own one again!




Awlcraft 2000 - With Alwcraft 2000 or Imron or any other acrylic LPU the pigment and hardness are the full thickness of the coating with no "hard shell" or "outer skin" to worry about. With proper buffing techniques an Awlcraft or Imron paint job will outlast an Awlgrip job by quite some time.

The picture below is a boat I buffed this past spring that was originally painted in 1989 with Imron. The boat did not display any real fading except for some light ghosting around an old name that we removed to put the new name on. After buffing it was nearly impossible to discern any ghosting.

I have NEVER seen an Awlgrip (polyester LPU) paint job look anywhere near this good at 18 years old. That's because it physically can't be done due to the lack of buff ability or repair ability of the product!

Boat yards love Awlgrip because they have a captive audience every 8 to 10 years at 8k to 12K per paint job...

By the way I just painted my boat last winter and used Awlcraft 2000!


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My god, I've never seen a hull look so good, what are you doing next spring, can you come to Tochester, Md and do my hull
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I believe that Halekai only buffed and waxed that boat, rather than painted it. I could be wrong...
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Yes the red boat was a buff and wax of an 18 year old Imron paint job....
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