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You might take a look at buying pre-made stainless lifelines; but be sure that the swaged end will feed through your existing stancions. defender.com sells the components and can provide the swaging service.
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Machine vs hand crimp lifelines

If you look at the specifications on the terminals from CS Johnson or Hayn they spec the hand crimp at 65% of the wire's breaking strength and the rotary machine crimp at 100%. I replaced all my hand crimp lifelines with rotary machine crimp because you get a 50% increase in strength. Just remove your old ones, streach out straight, carefully measure (be sure you have the turnbuckles extended the correct amount when you measure), pick the right hardware. I bought a set from the JSI which is now Sailnet. The cost of the machine swage is quite reasonable compared to the cost of the fittings and wire.

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As occasionally one of the six slabs of meat, might I also recommend some of these? http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...p=305&cat=2402

I know Jason just has crew safety in mind - we/they wouldn't be hanging from the lines. The yard arm, maybe, but not the lifelines....


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Pete! Feel like racing tomorrow? CSA Fall Series #2: 12:00 start, 11:20 boat call. Great blog, by the way.

Thanks for all the comments, everyone.

I race both PHRF and One Design and I need to conform to strict OD standards, which means coated wire; no line and definitely no wood.

The J/30 has to be flat to be fast, so that means crew must hike with their butts on the edge of the rail and their heads under the top lifeline. The stanchions are strong enough but I am suspect of coated wire and would just feel better knowing six friends aren't about to go swimming.

It sounds like I can do this as a DIY project, which is good as it will be easy to help other fleet members upgrade their lifelines and I can change mine out in three or four years when I start wondering again. Another consideration is that I am modifying my gate setup and it would be nice to do that onsite.

I am not 100% sure I'll do it as a DIY project - pending a little bit of research - but I appreciate all of the great advice.

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Are you sure that OD standards are coated wire. Recently ISAF and several other regulatory bodies have been specifying uncoated for safety reasons. Coated wire tends to corrode under the coating, and the coating prevents proper visual inspection of the lifelines, often leaving them in a condition to break unexpectedly.

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Are you sure that OD standards are coated wire. Recently ISAF and several other regulatory bodies have been specifying uncoated for safety reasons. Coated wire tends to corrode under the coating, and the coating prevents proper visual inspection of the lifelines, often leaving them in a condition to break unexpectedly.
Yes, I know ORC does as well. I've just read through the most recent class rules and there is no mention of lifeline material under the permitted alterations and, under the safety regs sction, it focuses on location and tautness, not material.

I'll have to check with the class measurer.

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Good luck, I hope they changed the rules given the safety problems with coated lifelines. It would really suck if you installed coated, when you could install uncoated, which generally will last longer and present fewer safety problems.

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Safety aside, I would venture that 95% of all boats 20 years or older have coated lifelines that have never been replaced. I do think the non coated or stainless wire does LOOK better. But if all these older boats have coated lifelines and I have personally not heard of any stories ( not that there aren't any ) of failures with coated lifelines. Is this just another money making idea generated by the Marine ( $$$$$ ) industry ?

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I had them go on a Cape Dory 25 I was working on last season... also had them go on a Hunter 34 I was doing some rigging work on this season. Although, the lifelines on the Hunter 34 may have been storm damage, rather than corrosion, since the boat was a storm salvage boat. Both of these boats were salt water boats... and both were fairly old... over 25 years in the case of the CD 25.

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As an update, I can go with coated or uncoated wire. I cannot use rope lifelines or use rope strops to attach the lifelines (due to the fear of UV degradation).

I still have not decided whether or not I should tackle this as a DIY project.

Thanks again for all of the great advice.

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