Pendulum wind vane -V- auxiliary rudder vane - SailNet Community
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 8 Old 11-09-2007 Thread Starter
Wish I never found SN!
 
SimonV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 2,062
Thanks: 8
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Pendulum wind vane -V- auxiliary rudder vane

Do you use either of these, I know the Pendulum types such a Monitor are very popular but I can also see the advantages of the Auxiliary rudder type such as AutoHelm. What are your views?

Simon
Ericson 39B.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I love my boat
S/V GOODONYA
Brisbane
present location Heading to the Whitsundays

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

DELIVERY SKIPPER
Drinking Rum before 10am makes you a Pirate NOT an alcohlic
SimonV is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 8 Old 11-09-2007
RD3
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 2
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Hi Simon,

I installed a windavane on my Cape Dory 28 this summer. I considered both types and went with a Windpilot Pacific, which is a pendulum type. The main factors in my decision were that the cost of pendulum types is less, they can be easily swung out of the water when not needed, and that auxilliary rudders add additional drag. On the positive side, auxilliary rudder types are unobtrusive; no additional lines in the cockpit. They also work better in lighter air. They are sometime the only choice on boats where patching into the boat's own steering system is not feasible. Another type of windvane is the Sayes rig. I do not know much about those other than there is a direct connection to the rudder.

I am very happy with my Windpilot. I use a tiller pilot autohelm in light air and deploy the windvane when things pick up a bit. I find that it becomes operable in around only 5 kts. when sailing upwind. Downwind, of course, it takes a bit more since the apparent wind is reduced.

Hope this helps.
RD3 is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 8 Old 11-09-2007
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
One advantage of auxiliary rudder wind vanes is that some can be used as emergency steering, if the main rudder fails.

Scanmar, which makes the Monitor, AutoHelm and Saye's Rig wind vanes, also makes an emergency rudder.

Whether you want a pendulum-type or an auxiliary rudder type wind vane really depends a lot on what kind of boat you have.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.

Last edited by sailingdog; 11-09-2007 at 09:22 PM.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 8 Old 11-10-2007
Lost
 
rrgane's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Everett
Posts: 69
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
One advantage of auxiliary rudder wind vanes is some can be used as emergency steering, if the main rudder fails.
Hey i got a Norvane which is a pendulum, however it can lock vertically and has a socket to accept an emergency tiller. Do not know how effective a locked pendulum will act as an emergency rudder .. better then nothing i suppose..
rrgane is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 8 Old 11-10-2007
the pointy end is the bow
 
erps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: La Conner, Washington
Posts: 6,260
Thanks: 2
Thanked 27 Times in 26 Posts
Rep Power: 11
   
Quote:
Do you use either of these, I know the Pendulum types such a Monitor are very popular but I can also see the advantages of the Auxiliary rudder type such as AutoHelm. What are your views?
Looked at both options for our boat. We're going with the auxiliary rudder type. I liked the clean installation, the simplicity and the fact that it's taking a bit of strain off the main steering system. Both systems are pretty well proven to do the job.

Ray
S.V. Nikko
1983 Fraser 41
La Conner, WA


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Boating for over 25 years, some of them successfully.
erps is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 8 Old 11-11-2007 Thread Starter
Wish I never found SN!
 
SimonV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 2,062
Thanks: 8
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by erps View Post
Looked at both options for our boat. We're going with the auxiliary rudder type. I liked the clean installation, the simplicity and the fact that it's taking a bit of strain off the main steering system. Both systems are pretty well proven to do the job.
Thanks all.

ERPS that was my thinking, less lines in the cockpit, but its when sailing down wind will the Auxiliary rudder unit be sensitive enough.

Simon
Ericson 39B.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I love my boat
S/V GOODONYA
Brisbane
present location Heading to the Whitsundays

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

DELIVERY SKIPPER
Drinking Rum before 10am makes you a Pirate NOT an alcohlic
SimonV is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 8 Old 11-11-2007
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Again this is pretty specific to the windvane and boat in question. If the boat is a well-balanced fin keel design then it may be enough, if the boat is a heavy displacement full keel, then you may need more steering power than the auxiliary rudder can provide.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SimonV View Post
Thanks all.

ERPS that was my thinking, less lines in the cockpit, but its when sailing down wind will the Auxiliary rudder unit be sensitive enough.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 8 Old 11-11-2007 Thread Starter
Wish I never found SN!
 
SimonV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Brisbane Australia
Posts: 2,062
Thanks: 8
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 10
 
Thanks SD, I will be talking to the makers in San Fran soon, they make both so its not like there is conflict of interest and only $200 difference.

Simon
Ericson 39B.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

I love my boat
S/V GOODONYA
Brisbane
present location Heading to the Whitsundays

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

DELIVERY SKIPPER
Drinking Rum before 10am makes you a Pirate NOT an alcohlic
SimonV is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Understanding Apparent Wind Steve Colgate Learning to Sail Articles 0 11-10-2002 07:00 PM
Understanding Apparent Wind Steve Colgate Seamanship Articles 0 11-10-2002 07:00 PM
Understanding Apparent Wind Steve Colgate Racing Articles 0 11-10-2002 07:00 PM
Emergency Steering John Kretschmer Seamanship Articles 0 03-08-2002 07:00 PM
Emergency Steering John Kretschmer Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 03-08-2002 07:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome