Westerbeke or Yanmar?? - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 37 Old 11-28-2007 Thread Starter
chuckjohansen
 
chuckjohansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Near Binghamton, NY
Posts: 9
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Westerbeke or Yanmar??

Hi Folks:

I'm new to the group but hardly new to sailing - Name is Chuck and sail a Pearson 323 on Cayuga Lk, NY.

I've been having trouble with my Volvo MD11C and am looking to repower. I'm considering a Westerbeke 30B or Yanmar 3YM30. Any opinions on reliability and/or maintenance concerns?

Thanks,
ChuckJ
SV Phrophecy
chuckjohansen is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 37 Old 11-28-2007
Senior Member
 
teshannon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 2,713
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 12
     
I don't have any experience with the Westerbeke but I have a Yanmar and am very pleased with it. I belive it is probably a smaller and lighter engine than the Westerbeke and would make an easier retrofit. I'm sure others will chime in. Good luck.
teshannon is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 37 Old 11-28-2007
Senior Member
 
Maine Sail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maine Coast
Posts: 5,890
Thanks: 20
Thanked 223 Times in 170 Posts
Rep Power: 16
       
They

They are both great engines. Both Yanmar and Westerbeke have high parts prices but you shouldn't need to many for a long while. My 2003 Westerbeke 44B four has over 2700 hours on it with zero problems.

If it were me i'd pick it by who will back you up the best in the future and which installer has the best reputation... Both engines are great!!

______
-Maine Sail / CS-36T


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.




Images In Posts Property of Compass Marine Inc.


Maine Sail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 37 Old 11-28-2007
ASA and PSIA Instructor
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Posts: 3,591
Thanks: 7
Thanked 25 Times in 25 Posts
Rep Power: 16
 
We recently rebuilt our W33, a fine engine, however I don't hear too often of people installing them new, Yanmar seems to have most of the mainstream new engine business. People who have them seem to have nothing but good things to say...I see the new Westerbeke still have aglow plug, perhaps they still dont offer the Yanmar instant start ability.
sailingfool is online now  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 37 Old 11-28-2007
Senior Member
 
HoffaLives's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: my mother's basement
Posts: 531
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
it's been talked about before, but research the blocks and find out if there is a non-marine equivalent. if the block is also used in industrial or agricultural equipment you can often find parts much cheaper.

Yanmar makes it's own engines while westy uses a generic diesel and marinises it, so you know that engine has non-marine equivalents out there.

red peril
severodvinsk class russian submarine
1993
364 feet

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

our life afloat:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
HoffaLives is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 37 Old 11-28-2007
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland
Posts: 2,364
Thanks: 0
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Rep Power: 9
 
I think they will both be solid motors.

Have a look at the Kubota-based Beta Marine motors. I say that so that you can source most of your spare parts from a plant machinery supplier if you have to.

Don't touch another Volvo. Never. Solid motors, but until they get sane about the spare parts prices, leave them in the mad house. I have been there, and ony just got out again, semi-sane, with bits of the wallpaper missing, some of the door handles chewed off the house....and much poorer.

I have no latent interest in Kubota or Beta.
Rockter is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 37 Old 11-28-2007 Thread Starter
chuckjohansen
 
chuckjohansen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Near Binghamton, NY
Posts: 9
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 0
 
Hi Rockter; Yehp, I've contacted the Beta-Marine dealer about the Kubota and the prices were $1k higher than either the Yanmar or Westerbeke.

The decision to re-power rather than re-build is based on Volvo parts prices, and inability to find replacment parts for a rebuild. Tks for the feedback.

Chuck
chuckjohansen is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 37 Old 11-28-2007
Best Looking MALE Mod
 
Cruisingdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Washington State
Posts: 9,917
Thanks: 3
Thanked 124 Times in 57 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Yanmar is my suggestion.

Sailnet Moderator



1987 Tayana Vancouver 42, Credendo Vides, (Mom and Pops boat, F/T Mobile Live Aboards in Puget Sound)

My Website:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Follow My Blog at:
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


Follow me on Facebook:

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Cruisingdad is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 37 Old 11-28-2007
Senior Member
 
Valiente's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 5,491
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 11
   
I have a Westerbeke W52 and concur that perhaps unlike Yanmar and definitely unlike Volvo, there are non-marine spares that are applicable for rebuild and repair purposes.

May this never be a issue with you...

However, if your pattern of usage is "light", diesels hate "light" (10 minutes at low revs from a cold start, head to wind, off...sail for three hours, cold start, 10 minutes back...shut off for a week).

"Light" wears engines in my non-mechanic (but strongly suggestive via anecdote) far more than "regular" or even "heavy". It is possible to kill a new diesel in under 1,000 hours this way.

Sooo... if you intend to motorsail a lot, or to run your diesel for an hour at 2,400 RPM before you switch off, then get the Yanmar. They seem efficient and popular and somewhat lighter, perhaps even more compact.

If you aren't going to do that, get the Westerbeke. It may wear out just as fast as the Yanmar, but it may be a great deal cheaper to fix. They also have about the best shop manuals I've ever seen...which your mechanic will appreciate.

Please understand that there are few awful marine diesels, but that marine diesel usage, when combined with salt water, close, sometimes poorly vented "caves", and ignorance of basic maintenance, can drastically shorten the lifespan of a diesel engine, no matter what the make.

The old, heavy Perkins and Lister engines that drive old cruisers regularly go 10,000 hours between rebuilds, or 20 years for most people. That's because they get oil changes every 100 hours, clean coolant, block passage rinses, clean air, decent venting, zinc changes and, most importantly, hours and hours of runtime at 2,200-2,400 RPM or so, which is the point where fuel efficiency is best and speed is maybe only a knot below maximum.

Diesels, like dogs, thrive on routine....
Valiente is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 37 Old 11-29-2007
moderate?
 
camaraderie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: East Coast
Posts: 13,877
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 16
     
My own experience is that both are good engines and if anything the Westerbeke is built a bit more sturdily BUT branded Westerbeke parts are WAY more expensive than branded Yamaha parts. You can get off brand parts for both cheaper.
camaraderie is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
cross index between Westerbeke 30 and ford Leyland diesel en NAVIGATORBJORN Gear & Maintenance 11 04-19-2012 10:45 AM
Westerbeke 58 Original to 1983 Boat -- Questions patjj Gear & Maintenance 4 08-28-2010 10:10 AM
Need help YANMAR engine mount Giulietta Gear & Maintenance 20 04-15-2010 01:15 PM
Yanmar 4JH2E air filter element garyroot Gear & Maintenance 8 03-30-2010 08:23 PM
ATF or SAE ? Yanmar 4JH2E / Trans: KM4A TAK Gear & Maintenance 4 11-05-2007 10:34 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome