Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items









Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest Forums > Gear & Maintenance
 Not a Member? 



Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2008
pegasus1457's Avatar
Arf!
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 606
Rep Power: 11
pegasus1457 is on a distinguished road
blister repair -- advice needed

The hull of my 1980 Pearson 32 was bead blasted today. Once the accumulation of years of bottom paint was removed it became apparent that I have hundreds of small holes to deal with. I presume these started out as osmosis (blisters) and they popped.

I plan to wait as long as possible before repairing them to allow any trapped moisture to escape -- probably 2 months. Ultimately I will apply a proper barrier coat.

But how do I deal with these craters? Do they need to be ground out before filling? What kind of product is recommended for filling the holes?

Thanks for any advice.
__________________
Fluctuat nec mergitur
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2008
camaraderie's Avatar
moderate?
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: East Coast
Posts: 13,899
Rep Power: 13
camaraderie is a jewel in the rough camaraderie is a jewel in the rough camaraderie is a jewel in the rough
This will give you all the info you will need.
http://www.zimmermanmarine.com/docs/blisters%201.pdf
__________________
No longer posting. Reach me by PM!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2008
stm stm is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: DALLAS,PA
Posts: 58
Rep Power: 12
stm is on a distinguished road
Also check out Zahnheisers marina web sight(spelling) in Solomans Isle, Maryland. They have an extensive explaination of blisters and repair.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2008
pegasus1457's Avatar
Arf!
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 606
Rep Power: 11
pegasus1457 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by stm View Post
Also check out Zahnheisers marina web sight(spelling) in Solomans Isle, Maryland. They have an extensive explaination of blisters and repair.


Zahniser's site is enough to make your blood run cold. The only repair they are willing to discuss involves a peel, relaminating, and a barrier coat. Cost: about $20K for my $20K
boat. There has to be a more moderate approach.
__________________
Fluctuat nec mergitur
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2008
soulesailor's Avatar
blue collar cruiser
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Casco Bay, Maine
Posts: 370
Rep Power: 5
soulesailor is on a distinguished road
Pegasus~ are you sure they are blisters that popped? If you have craters after a blasting they may have been air pockets from the resin not fully penetrating the cloth in the original lay-up. I've seen this on my friend's boat. They were everywhere, dry as a bone. Originally they were bubbles between the cloth laminate and the inside of the gelcoat, very blister looking. The blasting might have blown off the gelcoat side of the bubble, leaving you with the craters. If this is the case you don't have to wait for your hull to dry, you can move right in and get to work.
__________________

who is staring at the sea is already sailing a little
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2008
Freesail99's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 4,509
Rep Power: 7
Freesail99 will become famous soon enough
Send a message via Yahoo to Freesail99
Unless you have a heated area to work in, I wait till mid March to work with the epoxy.
__________________
S/V Scheherazade
-----------------------
I had a dream, I was sailing, I was happy, I was even smiling. Then I looked down and saw that I was on a multi-hull and woke up suddenly in a cold sweat.
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2008
pegasus1457's Avatar
Arf!
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Long Island NY
Posts: 606
Rep Power: 11
pegasus1457 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by soulesailor View Post
Pegasus~ are you sure they are blisters that popped? If you have craters after a blasting they may have been air pockets from the resin not fully penetrating the cloth in the original lay-up. I've seen this on my friend's boat. They were everywhere, dry as a bone. Originally they were bubbles between the cloth laminate and the inside of the gelcoat, very blister looking. The blasting might have blown off the gelcoat side of the bubble, leaving you with the craters. If this is the case you don't have to wait for your hull to dry, you can move right in and get to work.
After my initial panic, I began to wonder the same thing. I had my previous boat bead blasted about 9 yrs ago, and there were no such blowouts.

But I am inclined to agree with your diagnosis, especially since the surveyor went over the hull below waterline with a mallet and a moisture meter, and I would be surprised if he missed such widespread water intrusion.

So maybe the difference between the previous job and this one was the technique used in laying up the hull (different manufacturers) or the guys who did the blasting were more aggressive this time. I recall that last time after the blasting job I had a whole day's sanding to remove the remaining islands of bottom paint - all small, pimple-sized. This time the only bottom paint remaining is under the jackstands.

If the craters are not blister-related, then the repair consists of one afternoon with a spatula and epoxy filler...
__________________
Fluctuat nec mergitur
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-26-2008
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,315
Rep Power: 11
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
They sound more like small gelcoat voids, rather than osmotic blistering. IF they were osmotic blistering, you'd have them weeping a rather nasty acidic mixture. If they're dry on the inside, and it sounds like they are, they're layup voids.
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-26-2008
camaraderie's Avatar
moderate?
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: East Coast
Posts: 13,899
Rep Power: 13
camaraderie is a jewel in the rough camaraderie is a jewel in the rough camaraderie is a jewel in the rough
Move the jackstands a bit and by hand get down to the gel coat and see if there are indeed blisters...and if they weep when you poke them. If not...fill 'em & barrier coat and go on your merry way!
__________________
No longer posting. Reach me by PM!
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-26-2008
sailingdog's Avatar
Telstar 28
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,315
Rep Power: 11
sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice sailingdog is just really nice
Wear eye protection when doing this, because if they're osmotic blisters, you don't want to get the liquid in them in your eyes... and if you're poking at the blisters and break a new osmotic one open, the liquid is generally under some pressure and will spray quite a distance.
__________________
Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
Reply With Quote Share with Facebook
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Deck cracking, Fill and repair, advice CaptSteve77 Gear & Maintenance 5 10-23-2006 07:12 AM
Sail Repairs at Sea Brian Hancock Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 09-22-2003 08:00 PM
Repairing Gelcoat Cracks and Chips Don Casey Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 11-06-2002 07:00 PM
Blister Repair Advice Needed petegovoni Gear & Maintenance 2 04-18-2002 12:02 PM
Cruising Advice Needed!!! 2 or 3 cabin for 3 single guys? robbieturner Cruising & Liveaboard Forum 5 10-17-2001 05:26 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:03 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012