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So the DHS has decided to spend some more $s.

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STATEMENT FROM DHS PRESS SECRETARY LAURA KEEHHNER ON THE ADOPTION OF NATIONAL BACKUP SYSTEM TO GPS

Today the U.S. Department of Homeland Security will begin implementing an independent national positioning, navigation and timing system that complements the Global Positioning System (GPS) in the event of an outage or disruption in service.

The enhanced Loran, or eLoran, system will be a land-based, independent system and will mitigate any safety, security, or economic effects of a GPS outage or disruption. GPS is a satellite-based system widely used for positioning, navigation, and timing. The eLoran system will be an enhanced and modernized version of Loran-C, long used by mariners and aviators and originally developed for civil marine use in coastal areas.

In addition to providing backup coverage, the signal strength and penetration capability of eLoran will provide support to first responders and other operators in environments that GPS cannot support, such as under heavy foliage, in some underground areas, and in dense high-rise structures. The system will use modernized transmitting stations and an upgraded network.

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Dose that mean I'll have to buy a new Loran receiver?

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I would think any Loran C will still function, but a newer eLoran unit will probably offer enhanced features. Just speculation at this point.
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I still use my Loran C, some people think I'm nuts because GPS is better.

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Well not everything, they did repeal the phone tax 2 years ago that was started in 1899 to pay off the Spanish American war. really big of them.

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I'd be highly curious as to DoD's thoughts on the matter. It was just a short time ago that all the talk was of the elimination of Loran C. Does DoD think there is a need, and what types of interruptions to GPS are we considering?

I'm not at all sure that a security threat to GPS satellites is a viable possibility within the next ten to twenty years. I can think of quite a number of security threats that don't involve GPS satellites that are of a more pressing nature.

But then the mind does wander and cogitate on these things a bit as things are not always as they seem. What if the need for a back-up system was because of an intentional shut-down of the GPS system? Let's face it. Your basic $100 GPS unit has all the requirements to guide a ballistic missle, even without the full Camaraderie Lost Bays of Tortuga Chartplotter upgrade. your local West Marine is selling a precision guidance system the bomber pilots of WWII would have salivated over. What it actually guides is limited only by the resources of the nefarious end users.

For instance. The technology is already present for the control of an unmanned super tanker which could certainly sail into and detonate in lower NY Harbor. A simple matter of piracy, half a day's work, all conducted in the southern ocean would yield a tremendous bomb deliverable thrity days hence to NYC. Detonated under the Verrazano Narrows Bridge, it might close the entire port of NY/NJ indefinitely. The numbers killed could be mind-boggling. Obviously the mind also contemplates nascent missile technology as well.

The "what-if" planners at DHS and DoD have probably considered the need to shut down GPS intentionally. At the same time they are probably aware of the lack of other viable radio navigation systems. I'm quite sure they're only vaguely aware of Camaraderie's proficiency at celestial navigation.

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Sway,

What is wrong with this theory is the assumption Camaraderie is proficient at celestial navigation.

Don't use the red button Cam.

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And interesting link I stumbled upon - researching Loran (never used it)...

http://www.locusinc.com/articles.html the "E" effort has been ongoing for a long while from the looks of it - but its interesting reading the advantages of E over C....

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