Crimping versus Soldering - Page 18 - SailNet Community
 2Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #171 of 286 Old 05-28-2009
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Yes, there are a lot of soldered connections, but I'd also point out that most of the soldered connections you're talking about were done by a wave soldering machine rather than much more fallible human beings. I'd also point out that most of the same equipment will also have some crimped connections—which haven't failed at any greater a rate than the soldered ones you mention.

However, in the specific case the rest of us are discussing—user installed wiring on a boat—crimping is far more likely to result in a decent connection than is soldering.

You might want to open the stomach window you're using to see to get some air. The facts and the industry standards just don't support your statements or viewpoint.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eolon View Post
Wow, hot topic. Tragically, I have a job so I can't endlessly post superfluous minutia, maybe when I retire =)

Soldering = the Devil, yeah, we get it.

Of course, that doesn't exactly jive with solder traces on PC boards, does it? That solder runs just about everything in your life, from your computer, to your car, to your doorbell.

Anyhow, I'm sure you're right, I just thought you might be interested in an alternate opinion. Guess not.

Best Regards,


e

.::.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #172 of 286 Old 05-28-2009
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 116
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
Yes, there are a lot of soldered connections, but I'd also point out that most of the soldered connections you're talking about were done by a wave soldering machine rather than much more fallible human beings. I'd also point out that most of the same equipment will also have some crimped connections—which haven't failed at any greater a rate than the soldered ones you mention.

However, in the specific case the rest of us are discussing—user installed wiring on a boat—crimping is far more likely to result in a decent connection than is soldering.

You might want to open the stomach window you're using to see to get some air. The facts and the industry standards just don't support your statements or viewpoint.
Facts and Industry standards? that's odd, I don't remember reading that facts and industry standards were required in order to relate our particular experiences and knowledge. This is the internet, you know... unless you thought it was your personal amazing fairyland and you are the Galactic Overlord. If so, excuse me - please don't sic your minions on me!

Best Regards,

e

.::.
eolon is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #173 of 286 Old 05-29-2009
Member
 
bheintz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 75
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 15
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
The facts and the industry standards just don't support your statements or viewpoint.
ABYC, NASA, FAA, US Military, . . .

How disappointing, no one has quoted yet from the shipping classification societies of the Marine Industry.

LR - Lloyd's Register
DNV - Det Norske Veritas
NK - Nippon Kaiji Kyokai (ClassNK)
ABS - American Bureau of Shipping

ACS - Asia Classification Society
BKI - Biro Klasifikasi Indonesia
BV - Bureau Veritas
CCS - China Classification Society
CR - China Corporation Register of Shipping
CRS - Hrvatski Registar Brodova (Croatian Register of Shipping)
GL - Germanischer Lloyd
HRS - Hellenic Register of Shipping for Greece
ICS - Iranian Classification Society
IRS - Indian Register of Shipping
IROS - International Register of Shipping
KR - Korean Register of Shipping
PRS - Polish Register of Shipping (Polski Rejestr Statków)
RBNA - Registro Brasileiro de Navios (Brazilian Register of Shipping)
RINA - Registro Italiano Navale
RINAVE - Registro Internacional Naval SA
RS - Russian Maritime Register of Shipping
GBS - Guardian Bureau of Shipping
SCM - Ships Classification (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd
bheintz is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #174 of 286 Old 05-29-2009
moderate?
 
camaraderie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: East Coast
Posts: 13,877
Thanks: 0
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 16
     
Good posts Maine...I learned a few more things!

No longer posting. Reach me by PM!
camaraderie is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #175 of 286 Old 05-29-2009
Senior Member
 
jarcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Smithfield, RI
Posts: 1,008
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
How bad would this be?

How bad would it be to use ordinary crimp connectors, like those from Radio Shack, with marine adhesive lined heat shrink over it for any area not expected to be near water, like inside headliners?
jarcher is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #176 of 286 Old 05-29-2009
Senior Member
 
mitiempo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
Posts: 7,512
Thanks: 0
Thanked 96 Times in 87 Posts
Rep Power: 8
   
jarcher
While the adhesive lined heat shrink would protect the connection from moisture, the connection is nowhere near as good. A proper marine crimp connector is made of tinned solid copper while the lower quality are usually aluminum. See Mainesail's site below for examples of the quality differences.
All About Marine Wire Termination Photo Gallery by Maine Sailing at pbase.com
Brian
mitiempo is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #177 of 286 Old 05-30-2009
Senior Member
 
jarcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Smithfield, RI
Posts: 1,008
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 8
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mitiempo View Post
jarcher
While the adhesive lined heat shrink would protect the connection from moisture, the connection is nowhere near as good. A proper marine crimp connector is made of tinned solid copper while the lower quality are usually aluminum. See Mainesail's site below for examples of the quality differences.
All About Marine Wire Termination Photo Gallery by Maine Sailing at pbase.com
Brian
Thanks Brian, makes sense. Marine connectors it will be this weekend then!

Is there an online source for these where they cost less than about $0.90 per unit?
jarcher is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #178 of 286 Old 05-30-2009
Senior Member
 
mitiempo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Victoria B.C. Canada
Posts: 7,512
Thanks: 0
Thanked 96 Times in 87 Posts
Rep Power: 8
   
I'm from the west coast of Canada, but I think Hamilton Marine might be a good place to try.
Brian
mitiempo is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #179 of 286 Old 05-30-2009
Senior Member
 
Maine Sail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Maine Coast
Posts: 5,890
Thanks: 20
Thanked 223 Times in 170 Posts
Rep Power: 16
       
Quote:
Originally Posted by jarcher View Post
Is there an online source for these where they cost less than about $0.90 per unit?
Even the thinner walled 3M heat shrink butt connectors can be found at Wall*Mart in the automotive section but they are not that much less money than the better built FTZ connectors from Sailors Solutions.

Terminal Town (LINK) (less money, I don't know the quality, but these guys do mostly aircraft stuff)

Cable Organizer.com (LINK)
(check out their starter kit with ratcheting crimper NSPA-1003-UL)

______
-Maine Sail / CS-36T


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.




© Images In Posts Property of Compass Marine Inc.


Maine Sail is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #180 of 286 Old 05-30-2009
Member
 
bheintz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 75
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Rep Power: 15
 
Blade Connectors?

ABYC frowns on the use of friction connectors (aka blade and bullet connectors). Essentially Friction connectors (the blade and bullet variety) are allowed, provided they resist a 6-pound pull.

Many engine sensors use blade connectors. Since the engine a pretty good source of vibration, is there a good method to prevent these blade connectors from loosening over time?

I've seen instances where wires are soldered to the directly to the blades - such as speaker connections.

Are connections like these preferable if there are soldered to the spade connections?
bheintz is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Advice, please on crimping wire connections... FrankLanger Gear & Maintenance 67 10-09-2012 07:22 AM
Rope Cutting Tip for Weller 8200 Soldering Gun? SEMIJim Gear & Maintenance 6 11-18-2007 10:17 AM
Turnbuckles - Stainless versus Aluminum Finallybuyingaboat Gear & Maintenance 9 10-05-2007 09:47 PM
da versus high tech sailon2win Racing 5 10-05-2004 04:07 AM
Power versus Sail Tom Wood Cruising Articles 0 12-23-2000 07:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome