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If you try to self-tack it, it does tend to ride up a wee bit and lose some power. On a long tack to wearher, we put a wee kicking strap to the boom end and pull it down a little. It needs to be quite a long tack though or it's a bit of a fiddle, too often, to swop the kick strap from gunnel to opposite gunnel each time.
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To be absolutely clear I'm only wondering about the necessity of having the boom.
You can have the self-tacking facility without the boom. It is easier to maintain optimal sailshape with the boom. Depending on the size and cut of your sails there can be a lot of turbulence in that slot. If you have the boom it tends to hold things a bit more steady, particularly in light to medium air. Takes some practise to get really smooth flow through the slot with two headsails. Oft times two will actually slow you down. Sometimes you can do better with one, particularly close-hauled.

Minor performance factor. You need to weigh the potentially increased speed against the pleasure of getting cracked across the ankles three or four times a year.

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Minor performance factor. You need to weigh the potentially increased speed against the pleasure of getting cracked across the ankles three or four times a year.
I've been toying with these ideas myself as the deck and mast hardware is already in place for a staysail, but I doubt if I will ever bother with the big expense and genoa tacking aggravation.
Besides the ankle cracking or being knocked overboard for that matter there is the issue of the boom possibly blocking the forward hatch. I don't remember the details but on some forum a few years ago there was a horror story about someone getting trapped in the forward cabin by a fire with the staysail boom cleated over the hatch. Rare as these worst case scenarios may be...... just more stuff to think about.

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That would be poor design for that to happen. My Staysail boom won't reach the forward hatch and it's big enough that it'll do more than knock ya on your ankles if you get in the way.
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I knew an older fella 90+ when I was young 13, who owned a 40+ foot yawl and he had a boom on his jib because he often sailed single handed. I remember him telling me this was the reason he converted it. He had actually converted the entire boat which was built in the 1920's from a gaff rig to the yawl configuration. I've forgotten how many people he told me it took to sail the boat in it's original configuration but it was MANY.

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That would be poor design for that to happen. My Staysail boom won't reach the forward hatch
That may be a poor design but from what I have seen yours is the exception, not the rule. ALL IP's for example.... I think the Ailerons Hoyt setup also swings over the forward hatch. Basically every 30-40 foot stay-boom I've ever seen swings over the forward hatch - where else is it going to swing - unless your foredeck is Very Long. I'm not saying that makes them instant death traps but something to consider.

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Stan,
Are you familiar with the proprietary stainless steel staysail track commissioned on many Nauticats? The design was actually very simple and unobtrusive.

Mine was removed and I would probably have removed the inner forestay as well, if we decided to keep the boat. Never really used a staysail and the extra forestay always got in the way when tacking the Genoa.

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That may be a poor design but from what I have seen yours is the exception, not the rule. ALL IP's for example.... I think the Ailerons Hoyt setup also swings over the forward hatch. Basically every 30-40 foot stay-boom I've ever seen swings over the forward hatch - where else is it going to swing - unless your foredeck is Very Long. I'm not saying that makes them instant death traps but something to consider.
I think it's more to do with the design of my boat. My forward hatch is about 6" or so aft of the front of the house with the track just abaft the hatch. It's also on a topping lift that keeps it off the hatch as seen below.



I would imagine that if the mast collapsed forward, it might pin the boom over the hatch but in that case, you'd have more serious issues.

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Stan,
Are you familiar with the proprietary stainless steel staysail track commissioned on many Nauticats?
The 2 NC40's I rafted up with had 2 differnt flavors of stay sail arangements. One had a long boom over the forward hatch swiveled on - Edit - (after a closer look at my picture there seems to be a little post in back of the forestay) in a similar manner to a main with a standard looking track in back of the the forward hatch which looks like CharlieCobra's - at least from the picture. The other had no boom and a very strange looking SS structure with tubing as the attachment on each end at least 6" off the deck and it seemed to slope down to the center like a gently curved U - that must be the one ?

PhotoBucket would'nt upload my picture so we'll see what I get from stansail dot com Yup.... that's it way over in the lower left corner. Is that the one ?

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Yes Stan, the self-tending track on Bremer Speck, the left boat, is what I was referring to.

Here's another view . . . smaller size photo-hard left


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