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Hi Looking at buying an 88í Sabre 30 down side is it looks like it needs the toe rail and chain plates re-bedded and most probably the hull and deck re-sealed, would anyone know a ball park figure for costs like these done by a yard? Iíve just moved here from the UK and am unfamiliar with costs. thanks doralge
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The standard answer is.......

depends on a variety of things, but figure $100/h for yard labor as a ballpark estimate.
  • Chain Plates are proablay a 20 h job. Remove/clean. rebed/touch-up
  • Toe Rail - Figure 8 h
  • Redo Deck Joint - Figure another 20 h

I am guessing around $5k for the whole thing as a mid price guess. I am sure others will give better numbers having done these repairs.

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Thanks that helps a lot. Gives me something to go on, and something to look at especially the yards hourly labor rates and length of time.
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I'd double that estimate.
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If the toerail needs re-bedding, it has already let water into the (probably cored- I don't know for sure with Sabres) deck. Look for aditional damage that will also need to be repaired. I'd agree with Camaraderie; $10k is lower end, subject to finding more to do. I'd ask the guys at the yard where the boat is stored to give you an estimate. They may even be more familiar with what the boat needs, if the current owner has had them check it out for him. Their quote to him may be why he's decided to sell it....!
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The toerail will not be set into cored laminate, the coring ends 2-3 inches from the endge of the deck, the toerail will sit on solid laminate (look at the underside of the deck for confirmation).

Doralge,
The Sabre 30 ia a well constructed boat why do you think it needs such a broad scope of work? Rebedding some deck fixtures is a routine repair, needing to rebed a toerail in a Sabre I would think very unlikely. What do you mean by "the hull and deck re-sealed" the comment makes no sense to me.
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core news

Thanks for all the feed back, I'm glad to hear about the fact that the core ends about 2 inches in from the edge, I have looked at some Pearsonís with problems of wet core at the edge due to the toe rail, this Sabre has leak streaks regularly spaced at where the hull and deck are joined and they seam to match up to where the toe rail attachments probably pierce the deck. I have asked the yard where it is kept for an estimate through the broker who has showed it to me. but so far no news, busy time of year I guess. thanks
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WOW, someone must have been badly hung over the day they put the deck on...that the current owner hasn't addressed this problem should tell you the cost will be $$$$. Water intrusion over a long period time can really mess up an interior. Does it show on any interior woodwork, cabin floor etc? Thankfully this is not a situation I have faced, but I would worry whether the deck may need to be rebedded also, be sure the yard doesn't give you just the answer you'd like to hear. By the way you should be relying on a surveyor to advise you about what repairs may be necessary and not the yard, especially if the listing broker is a homie.
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I own a Sabre 30, and here is my take. The toe rail on almost all Sabres can be a minor headache b/c it is through bolted to the interior and frequently a source of leaks. It is very, very , very unlikely that the hull/deck join in in any way compromised. There is no core along this join. The long-term solution is to pull the teak plugs from the rail, unscrew it and rebed the rail - a moderate, but easily DIY job. You can probably get rid of nearly all the leaks by just tightening the bolts. Overall the S30 is a great boat and very well built. Let me know if you've any more questions.
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I agree with sjburns. I also own a SABRE 30. It is a great boat. Mine is an 81 and when I bought her she had staining on some of the interior hull from leaks which I ascertained were coming from lose bolts in the Hull/deck joint. There were also several missing teak bungs. Tightening all bolts and replacing the bungs has completely solved the problem. A very straight forward DIY job. Good luck it is a great sailing boat.
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