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Knot...we know you're a rigger...the problem comes when someone tries to hide what they are and then make comments to enhance their personal business. Not that you have ever done so...but if for any reason you decide to take that stance...then simply post your affiliation in your signature.
Thanks Cam. I probably won't take that stance but with the economy the way it is I may resort to anything to drum up business. I'm not proud.
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It was and is definitive. I alluded to it my previous posts in this thread. You say you have done research on this but failed to find any of it? Your research must have began and ended at Solidnav.com

Bendytoy's literature on the Lagoon 42 has this info publically available.

As to definitiveness:

3 hours of motor at half hull speed is a fact, and as a fact that is not enough to provide a normal and necessary safety factor for any but the most short sighted fair weather sailor.

Battery driven, regenerative charged, solar charged and wind charged pure electric systems are not technically feasible or economically prudent for long range cruising as done by the majority of real people out there. Sure it's been done, by daredevil technology demostrators off on their newest publicity seeking adventures, not by your average Joe and Jane.

Sailnet is a great place to talk sailing and facts, perceptions and such are probably better at SA or latts and atts.
Not to prolong something that should have died posts ago, but a system that includes a genset makes much better range than 3 hours.

As others have pointed out, there are reputable yacht manufacturers who are using electric diesel systems. The Nordhavns (though not a sailboat) and Lagoons are just a few examples.

I read an article about the Nordhavn, but I can't recall if they are actually selling a system like that or not. I pay more attention to sailboats.
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Engele - Do you actually own a sailboat?


I notice every chance you get you get post on something electric motor related. Personally, while CAM here accepted your explanation - I have not. You can call it childish as you did in the neg rep you gave me - but the fact is, some of us are quite attuned to blatant methods of drumming up business etc. Your initial posts, and honestly - all of you posts have been devoid of any real substantial info - yet you criticize every one blanketed as stating we have short narrow minded views.

If I was you and this Solidnav gent is more than your "had a beer friend" - it would be more worthwhile that maybe he GIVE YOU that freebie he so boldly stated he would give to someone on Sailnet (looking out for you) - but then again you probably need a sailboat to take advantage of that if you do not have one already. But at least then you could speak from experience either way. Or maybe you know better...

However, spoiled fish smells like spoiled fish and since post #1 - this whole thread reaks of "Any press is good press" promotion.

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I bet that solidnav and engele are the same person. He did play a good cop bad cop thing there. However writing style, as well as simultaneous and almost word-for-word admiration of Giu's boat (not that there is anything wrong with that), as well as simply many many years of experience with various web communication mediums, among other things make me believe they are the same person.

Not that it matters, really - just my personal opinion.
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simultaneous and almost word-for-word admiration of Giu's boat

The man/men have good taste..what can you do....

I don't blame them for liking "that" boat so much...heck...even I like it so much....
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Jody...Brak...Pls. cut it out. Engele and solidnav are not the same person. I know exactly who they are and I accept the "good friends" explanation. They both have boats. Solid attacked me and I have handled that and he has not been back. In any event, he will pay a long term price for his temper as the internet does not "expire". Engele has attacked no one and is entitled to his opinion as is anyone here. (However wrong it may be!)
Kindly respond to the information in his posts or ignore him...but let's stop the challenges and suspicion OK?

No longer posting. Reach me by PM!
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Jody...Brak...Pls. cut it out. Engele and solidnav are not the same person. I know exactly who they are and I accept the "good friends" explanation. They both have boats. Solid attacked me and I have handled that and he has not been back. In any event, he will pay a long term price for his temper as the internet does not "expire". Engele has attacked no one and is entitled to his opinion as is anyone here. (However wrong it may be!)
Kindly respond to the information in his posts or ignore him...but let's stop the challenges and suspicion OK?

I will stop posting them - but frankly he attacked me with his neg rep to me, and upon further introspection the obvious "any way to drum up press" routine - which frankly I , less the fact for reasons you stated - normally you or others would of ended this thread three posts before January.

But I'll just put the individual on ignore - I think I know how to do that...

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Anyone attacking our moderators and Sailnet members, especially well established members is out in my book. We have a very good group of members hear with a vast knowledge base and when they state facts I for one tend to listen to them. When Cam, Chuck, Sway and the likes question some one like
SolidNav and engele and get the answers we got, then I smell something fishy.





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I take that personally. I have not attacked anyone. On top of that, I have attempted to give a perspective that I found lacking.

Sailnet doesn't seam to be a good forum for design discussion. Especially when it falls to this. Be civil. Don't attack me because I disagree with the moderator on whether something is useful.

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I'm sorry but I fail to see where I said you attacked any one. When I said anyone in my first line I did not signal you out, it was used in general. And where I did use your name it was referring to the answers we where getting.

But if you did take it personally please accept my apology.

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No problem I also know who they are now, and I take back my statement about them being the same person.

After a bit of research I finally found what this system is made of (and a bit more information about it). This was a useful exercise for me and I will keep the motor manufacturer in mind.

That said, I agree that this discussion had turned non-productive, my apologies for contributing to that. I'll go discuss marina blues now
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Thanks guys...Jody...I gave you some Luvvvvv...to make up for the pain!! Couldn't give Brak any...he's already my luhv bunny!

No longer posting. Reach me by PM!
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