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The mast will be down and I'd like to add radar.

Lots to consider. 2k is probably the only way to go because of power consumption.

What about display units? Raymarine has several variations, it's a lot to digest.

I'm considering a used dome. Worth the effort? I see a new Raymarine 2K dome is about $1800. So a used one shouldn't be more than $700 or so...ooops! Defender has it for $1100. Doesn't seem worth bothering with a used unit at that price.

How about displaying on a laptop? I'm considering having a laptop at the nav station, nice and dry, and feed an LCD monitor at the helm. With a wireless mouse I should be able to control it from the helm.
How easy to set up is a PC radar display? How good?

Any and all info on radar on a 40' boat will be appreciated. I am pretty set on mast mount. Probably not gimballed.

What's the deal with connectors on the cable? Can I have a plug at the mast base so I can plug in whatever display I choose?

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I use exclusively Raymarine.

I have the 2K Radar dome, the HD model. Your biggest obstacle is choosing the right display. Personally - I would go for the E-Series or the G series. The C-Series doesn't allow for multiple displays where the E and G does, as well they are the most expandable set-up of the line (hence why on the Barberis I am not installing the C-80 but going for the E-series with a bunch of G components (video distribution etc)...

For PC - it can be done - Raymarine has there own program which will grab the radar, depth etc from whatever is attached to the NMEA network - but its kinda pricey. The display is the most costly aspect of the system (as is any of the competitive ones from Nav, Furona, Garmin etc)...

It is a DIY install especially if you will have the mast down.
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You might wanna look at the new Garmin stuff Xort. The radars are pretty proprietary with their cabling and screens.
On the install...suggest you install a terminal block someplace dry near the base of the mast so you can remove the mast without cutting the cable in the future.
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You're gonna get a gazillion different answers, as I am sure you have seen on previous threads. But I would agree with Jody. I may put the E series at the nav station initially. If I feel the need later, I can put a repeater at the helm. I don't like the helm cluttered with all kinds of stuff. Another option is to use the C series below and put the ST70 at the helm. It will not give you chart or radar, but that is a personal preference that you will have to decide. I don't like the new Garmin stuff, don't like the touch screen. Again, personal preference.
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You might wanna look at the new Garmin stuff Xort. The radars are pretty proprietary with their cabling and screens.
On the install...suggest you install a terminal block someplace dry near the base of the mast so you can remove the mast without cutting the cable in the future.
I investigated it all before settling on my gear, and I don't think it really matters what manufacturer's gear you go with...they all make pretty good stuff. Personally, I went with Garmin at the time, but I didn't see anything wrong with anyone else's gear. Basically I went with Garmin because I liked the way it all plugged together (since a plotter is a computer), using the latest in waterproof computer Ethernet type connections. I got the 4 kw radome that works with the 3210 plotter (and overlays), and I'm pleased with the way it all works...I don't care for the touch screen plotters though.

I have a laptop with navigation software that I have used down below at times with a GPS, but I've only used it in that capacity to check the plotter at the helm when I'm off watch. I would rather watch the radar at the helm where I think it belongs (personal preference), but it might be nice to have a backup way to see radar if the plotter went down.
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Some programs I have used in the past interface with all equip.&plot maps etc.Reds 0183.Think last one used sea talk not sure.Do not know about 2nd plug not supposed th vhange cables.Put mine on stand?tower whatever on aft probably not as efficent but more accesable & sail never shold hit it.If it does radar minor proble.
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Stopped by West. The Garmin is $999 for a 4k dome. The HD dome is $1200.
But the Garmin display unit is $1800. I'm concerned with Garmin chartplotter being proprietary and expensive to update. Couldn't get answers from West or the independent shop next door.

Not clear about how I would get radar signal to a laptop. The manufacturers certainly don't want to make that easy.
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Since Im not an off shore sailor and the only time therefor I need radar is in the fog...I want it where I can use it..

Edit...I dont like the current angle and intend on rotating it up for better view..may have to get my pedestal tubing bent for that.
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Having used..

Having used all three major brands of radar and owned both Furuno and Raymarine/Raytheon I have the following observations.

1) Furuno I've owned two different Furuno systems and they have proven to be very, very reliable yet less user friendly. It was much easier to get good clean returns on than any of my Raymarine units. The filtering capability in comparison to actual targets was far better than any of the Raymarine units I owned and the reliability was... well... ZERO issues.

2) Raymarine- I've owned three different Raytheon/Raymarine units and each has let me down or failed at the most inopportune time. My most recent was a Raymarine C-80 with 2K dome. I had two PC board failures and one internal Sea Talk buss failure plus a screen that delaminated. Raymarine was good enough about fixing the issues but I have the ability to drive stuff there in person so that seems to change things a bit when it comes to customer service. I also had a defective Raymarine 125 GPS antenna o this system that also failed. These failures were all on my C-80 system over two seasons worth of use. No lightning strikes all installed exactly according to Raymarine specs.

Prior to my C-80 system I owned an RC70 system and it too had a few repairs (dead radome motor & failed chart insert connector) but was more reliable than my C-80 system. Raymarine was not as good at customer support when I owned this unit as they were with the C-80 and it seems they are trying harder but perhaps it's because reliability has suffered with the newer generation??

I currently own yet another Raymarine radar that came with my current boat, and it is currently in a failure mode. Raymarine has told me they will no longer repair this unit and it's less than ten years old! I turn it on and it works fine for about ten minutes, accurately, then just stops returning any targets beyond about 1/8 of a mile and even then those targets are not accurate and are more like sea clutter. My local electronics shop thinks it's a failure in the dome, and would fix it, but they can't even order the parts..

3) Garmin- I helped install, and dial in, two Garmin radar systems last season, one for my neighbor on a Sabre 362, and another for a good friend with an Ericson 35-3. to say the least I am VERY impressed with these units and these are not even the HD domes. Having owned many Garmin GPS units 175, 210, 176, 176C & 182C I can say without a doubt that their GPS's are very, very reliable. I have only sent one unit in for repair and it was my fault not a Garmin failure. My wife thought she was helping and wiped the screen with a powerful kitchen cleaner and ruined the anti-glare coating. Garmin went ABOVE and BEYOND even after I told them honestly what I had done. Long story short they installed a new screen FREE OF CHARGE and had it back to me in 9 days from the day I shipped it.



I have not yet decided which brand I will go with for my new radar but I'm leaning 70% Garmin 30% Furuno right now. The package I'm looking at with Garmin is a 3205C (I prefer the old Garmin menu system to the new) with the HD dome. You can get into this set up for under 2K..

I personally will not be buying Raymarine again. Don't get me wrong I have their auto pilots and have had good luck as I have with their ST60 stuff but the radars & plotters and a VHF have been much less than satisfactory when it comes to reliability for me.

Perhaps sailing in Maine my radar gear gets more of a work out but Furuno never gave me an issue and neither have my Garmin plotters..
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Chartplotter / other instruments

Hello,

I don't have RADAR, so I can't really help you. However, what are your other instruments? Who makes your chartplotter (if you have one)? The reason I ask is that if you have a Garmin plotter, and it's RADAR compatible, then get a Garmin Radar. Same thing with Lowrance, Raymarine, etc.

If you don't have a chartplotter that is radar compatible (and don't want one) then I guess you can get anything.


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