Installing 700 Watt Inverter - SailNet Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 21 Old 05-19-2008 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Sabreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yeocomico River, VA
Posts: 1,643
Thanks: 3
Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
Installing 700 Watt Inverter

Intended Use: Recharge laptop, maybe run small coffee maker. That's it.

Background: I have a 150 Watt West Marine inverter that kept cutting off last season when the laptop was charging. Since the laptop power brick gets hot in proportion to the laptop battery level (real hot the lower the charge), I thought that it may be drawing quite a bit of juice and exceeding 150 watts. Since power = voltage * current, that would be about 12.5 Amps (150 watts/12 VDC = 12.5 amps). This is an enormous amount of current (I don't recall what my ammeter read) for a laptop to draw, so I now suspect that I'd drained my batteries below the inverter threshold, EXCEPT that I was on shore power at the time with the charger running, so it shouldn't have been an issue.

Plan: Since they're so inexpensive and to avoid inverter limitations, I just eBay'd a 700 Watt inverter that I plan to hard wire into the electrical system. All installation instructions that I've read call for a direct hookup to the batteries. Obviously, I don't want to do that and want to wire it to a spare breaker on my power panel.

Question to the Sailnet Wizards: Can anyone see a problem with wiring to an UNUSED breaker on the boat's electrical panel? Will the inverter work ok not being direct connected to the batteries? I suspect that the manufacturers don't want someone to use a cigarette lighter and its skinny wires to draw 700 watts so they recommend a direct connect.

Thanks, all.

Sabre 38 "Victoria"
Sabreman is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 21 Old 05-19-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Sabreman-

The problem is that a 700 Watt inverter will be drawing about 59 amps at maximum draw. I don't think you happen to have a spare 75 AMP breaker on your panel, or the wiring to support that kind of load there.

700 Watts / 12 Volts = 58.333 Amps

You'd be much better off cabling it directly to the batteries and putting a fuse in the line someplace.

This is one reason inverter/charger units, like the Freedom 10, are so nice. They have to be heavily wired to the batteries to support their charging and inverter function anyways...

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.

Last edited by sailingdog; 05-19-2008 at 11:34 AM.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #3 of 21 Old 05-19-2008 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Sabreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yeocomico River, VA
Posts: 1,643
Thanks: 3
Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
Sailingdog - "will be drawing about 59 amps" Agreed. I'd thought of that but figured that running just a laptop or coffee pot wouldn't get anywhere near 59A. Your response however, made me realize that I'd be wasting the inverter capacity wiring to a 30A or 15A fuse. Good catch, I'll just have to make sure that I properly size the fuse and cable to the batteries. The cable run will be about 7' taking into account proper routing.

Thanks.

Sabre 38 "Victoria"
Sabreman is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #4 of 21 Old 05-19-2008
Senior Member
 
chucklesR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Pasadena Md - Magothy side
Posts: 5,979
Thanks: 10
Thanked 31 Times in 31 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
Sabreman.
I have a 700w inverter that I just alligator clip to my batteries when I want to use it, otherwise I use either a 100w or 300w that plugs into normal 12v outlets. The 300w runs laptops just fine.
Simple and easier.
chucklesR is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #5 of 21 Old 05-19-2008
Senior Member
 
Valiente's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Toronto
Posts: 5,491
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rep Power: 11
   
SD's comments are spot on. Basically, you can wire the thing properly with a 50 amp in-line fuse, or just never draw that much power with it by running something smaller or running big wires to a smaller circuit breaker.

Another consideration, and one perhaps more flexible, is what I did: I got a 700 watt "power pack" with a light and an air pump and two AC outlets that is charged while at dock and then kept in a locker.



Canadian Tire

Basically it's a 28 Ah AGM in a box. It carries enough juice to charge VHFs and to charge/run laptops for several hours without the cost or hassle of wiring, and with the convenience of portability. I've used it to run sanders and Dremels for up to an hour when I didn't feel like running 150 feet of extension cord across the yard, and it's been nice to have in the Zodiac to run truly bright spotlights to see debris in the water ahead when running at night.

Oh, yeah, and you can start your engine a couple of times with it.

Another alternative is this, of course. I tested it with a 1500 W hair dryer on "melt head" and it didn't flinch.


Last edited by Valiente; 05-19-2008 at 12:13 PM.
Valiente is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #6 of 21 Old 05-19-2008
Senior Member
 
chucklesR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Pasadena Md - Magothy side
Posts: 5,979
Thanks: 10
Thanked 31 Times in 31 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
My dad gifted me with a 110v dc single cup coffee maker that draws 500w, I' use it to make that first cup of coffee without waking the Admiral up.
I reckon firing up the Honda would short circut my plan

If what I'm reading is right I could wire my 700w into my 50 amp windlass breaker, it's installed right there in my Nav station/battery locker about 3 inches from where I keep the inverter anyway.
I was just afraid of running the windlass and forgetting it turn off my laptop but really that should not be a problem - or if it would it would just trip the breaker anyway, not melt the boat.
chucklesR is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #7 of 21 Old 05-19-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Chuckles-

I don't see why you couldn't do that... you wouldn't get the full 700 Watts out of it...but you'd get 500 or so from it.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #8 of 21 Old 05-19-2008 Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Sabreman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yeocomico River, VA
Posts: 1,643
Thanks: 3
Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts
Rep Power: 10
   
chucklesR - That's exactly what I'm thinking. I'm not sure how big my largest breaker is (been simplifying the boat for 3 years and pulling obsolete gear OFF), but a worst case is to add a 50A breaker in lieu of a lower rated one.

Sabre 38 "Victoria"
Sabreman is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #9 of 21 Old 05-19-2008
Senior Member
 
chucklesR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Pasadena Md - Magothy side
Posts: 5,979
Thanks: 10
Thanked 31 Times in 31 Posts
Rep Power: 10
     
It's on my list of things to do (wiring it in) while I sail about at anchor this (memorial day) weekend. I'm seriously looking forward to some quality time of tinkering about in the morning.
First, I'll make a cup of coffee with the old alligator clip, then I'll wire it in.
chucklesR is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
post #10 of 21 Old 05-19-2008
Telstar 28
 
sailingdog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 43,290
Thanks: 0
Thanked 15 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 14
         
Quote:
Originally Posted by chucklesR View Post
It's on my list of things to do (wiring it in) while I sail about at anchor this (memorial day) weekend. I'm seriously looking forward to some quality time of tinkering about in the morning.
First, I'll make a cup of coffee with the old alligator clip, then I'll wire it in.

Don't get zapped.

Sailingdog

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Telstar 28
New England

You know what the first rule of sailing is? ...Love. You can learn all the math in the 'verse, but you take
a boat to the sea you don't love, she'll shake you off just as sure as the turning of the worlds. Love keeps
her going when she oughta fall down, tells you she's hurting 'fore she keens. Makes her a home.

—Cpt. Mal Reynolds, Serenity (edited)

If you're new to the Sailnet Forums... please read this
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
.

Still—DON'T READ THAT POST AGAIN.
sailingdog is offline  
Quote Quick Reply Share with Facebook
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

By choosing to post the reply above you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.


User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Installing an Inverter to run fridge? sail268 Gear & Maintenance 10 04-29-2007 06:20 AM
Inverter Installation Tom Wood Gear and Maintenance Articles 0 01-20-2001 07:00 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome