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Thanks for the offer, Cap'n. I'd almost certainly jump all over it if I didn't need it for this weekend. In the event that we can't go, I might give you a call. The Danforth sets pretty well, but it also has a tendency to drag with the reversing current. PB actually pointed that out to me a few weeks back when he was here, and I've since had an experience that confirmed what he told me.

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I only draw two feet so I tend to anchor shallow.
I thought the best way to anchor in current that reverses (tidal) which is pretty much everywhere here around the bay was fore and aft. Current really doesn't affect me as much as wind.
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According to Halekai, the Manson Supreme isn't as good, and he owns the Spade, the Manson Supreme, the Rocna and a few others... so he's got real world experience with them. I've never used the Manson Supreme, so can't comment on its performance directly... I did just get a Delta 22 lb. for use as a secondary anchor, with a Rocna 15 kg. as my primary.
To clarify, the performance of my Manson Supreme was identical to my Rocna. In that I mean in over 100 sets and anchorings it set and held at a rate of 100% in the first try and never dragged and never un-set on a wind or tide shift. My Rocna has done the same and they are the ONLY two anchors I've owned that have been able to do this.

That being said the Rocna is clearly a better & more robustly built anchor than the Manson. Do I think someone will break a Manson? Probably not, so in that sense it just means the Rocna is over built and I like that..

So again, my Rocna and Manson have given me 100% reliability but owning both I can honestly say the Rocna is the better built/constructed anchor..
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Thanks for the clarification Halekai.
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To clarify, the performance of my Manson Supreme was identical to my Rocna. In that I mean in over 100 sets and anchorings it set and held at a rate of 100% in the first try and never dragged and never un-set on a wind or tide shift. My Rocna has done the same and they are the ONLY two anchors I've owned that have been able to do this.

That being said the Rocna is clearly a better & more robustly built anchor than the Manson. Do I think someone will break a Manson? Probably not, so in that sense it just means the Rocna is over built and I like that..

So again, my Rocna and Manson have given me 100% reliability but owning both I can honestly say the Rocna is the better built/constructed anchor..
So if both have done the same - how do you come to the conclusion the Rocna is any better than the Manson... your writing of experience is contradictory as I the casual reader seem to get they both performed the same thus if one is priced lessor then the lessor price is still the winner..

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Jody..lets try an example. You've been out mountain climbing and you've fallen in a crevasse. Search and rescue arrives and says they're gonna winch you our of there but you have to pay for the rental on the winch from the winch rental guy and you have a choice of two. Both have been tested 50 times with people your weight with no problems whatsoever...but winch #2 has wire that is twice as thick and titanuim gears and is die cast rather than welded. Unfortunately it costs 1000 dollars a day to rent whereas the other winch costs $500. Which one will you rent?
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Jody..lets try an example. You've been out mountain climbing and you've fallen in a crevasse. Search and rescue arrives and says they're gonna winch you our of there but you have to pay for the rental on the winch from the winch rental guy and you have a choice of two. Both have been tested 50 times with people your weight with no problems whatsoever...but winch #2 has wire that is twice as thick and titanuim gears and is die cast rather than welded. Unfortunately it costs 1000 dollars a day to rent whereas the other winch costs $500. Which one will you rent?
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Dude - get back to you SO, That is so unrealistic and uhm... quite the complimentary to go with what works. I am going to go with what is reasonably sound... not just what costs more.. if both do the job - then what is the issue - are you being subsidized by Racnor now?
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So if both have done the same - how do you come to the conclusion the Rocna is any better than the Manson... your writing of experience is contradictory as I the casual reader seem to get they both performed the same thus if one is priced lessor then the lessor price is still the winner..

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I take what halekai36 is trying to say is, they are both equally good anchors, but the Rocna is better only in that it's more heavily constructed...but they are both built good. Sort of like the difference between Chevy and GMC...both good trucks (IMO), but GMC is suppose to be more heavily constructed.
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