Running Rigging Plan - Page 4

sailingdog · #31 (**permalink**) 05-26-2008

Craigtoo-

Read this article as to why I think why Double LIne reefing is better.

BTW, do you really need a 2:1 outhaul if the line is being lead to a line clutch and WINCH... Get rid of the internal block and free up a sheave and just run the outhaul to the winch.

Faster · #32 (**permalink**) 05-26-2008

One other thought, Craig..

You show your spinn pole downhaul attached fairly close to the mast..

The advantage of this arrangement is that you will require fewer adjustments of the downhaul as you trim the pole fore and aft.

The disadvantage is that there will be little to no forward component in the downhaul pull. A downhaul mounted forward on the deck (ours is near the jib tack fitting) makes it more of a "foreguy" and the advantage is that when you snug the downhaul tight it tends to pull the pole up to the spinnaker clew/tack. This makes for a more stable sail, and one more job your bowman won't have to to (i.e. push the pole along the guy to the clew)

The disadvantage then is that virtually every pole adjustment fore and aft requires a followup or simultaneous adjustment of the downhaul. Once the crew is used to this it's not too bad, and IMO the forward pull advantage outweighs the cons.

Just something to consider before you start drilling holes in your foredeck.

craigtoo · #33 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

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Originally Posted by sailingdog

Craigtoo-

Read this article as to why I think why Double LIne reefing is better.

BTW, do you really need a 2:1 outhaul if the line is being lead to a line clutch and WINCH... Get rid of the internal block and free up a sheave and just run the outhaul to the winch.

SD,
Thanks for the article! Totally new idea for me. Not to mention the idea of having a block within the boom to add to mechanical advantage for reefing on the previous posts from BF...

Also Re. Outhaul.... holy crap. I was just about to write "you obviously misunderstood me..." but damn, you're right! Why waste 2 sheaves? Gonna take a look at that!

Thanks,
Craig

PS New Sails may be sitting on my front porch RIGHT NOW!!!!

sailingdog · #34 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

LOL... I can understand if needing a two-to-one purchase for an outhaul if you're not using a winch or have a really small winch.

What kind of sails did you get???

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Originally Posted by craigtoo

SD,
Thanks for the article! Totally new idea for me. Not to mention the idea of having a block within the boom to add to mechanical advantage for reefing on the previous posts from BF...

Also Re. Outhaul.... holy crap. I was just about to write "you obviously misunderstood me..." but damn, you're right! Why waste 2 sheaves? Gonna take a look at that!

Thanks,
Craig

PS New Sails may be sitting on my front porch RIGHT NOW!!!!

craigtoo · #35 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faster

One other thought, Craig..

You show your spinn pole downhaul attached fairly close to the mast..

The advantage of this arrangement is that you will require fewer adjustments of the downhaul as you trim the pole fore and aft.

The disadvantage is that there will be little to no forward component in the downhaul pull. A downhaul mounted forward on the deck (ours is near the jib tack fitting) makes it more of a "foreguy" and the advantage is that when you snug the downhaul tight it tends to pull the pole up to the spinnaker clew/tack. This makes for a more stable sail, and one more job your bowman won't have to to (i.e. push the pole along the guy to the clew)

The disadvantage then is that virtually every pole adjustment fore and aft requires a followup or simultaneous adjustment of the downhaul. Once the crew is used to this it's not too bad, and IMO the forward pull advantage outweighs the cons.

Just something to consider before you start drilling holes in your foredeck.

Spot on Faster.... I'm way far away from drilling holes... Exactly what you describe is what I'm going to play with... best location to minimize "line humping" while trying to optimize chute trim and "pole hum.. umm I mean Pole Adjustments"

But I won't have a chute for a while. aaMoF I'll be using one of those starboard cam / jam cleats for a boom topping lift till I get a boom kicker installed...

:P

Thanks all...
Big 'round of "Bite Me's" to you all... New rev of the plan coming in the next few days.. need to finish it up before I head to Poland! (Now in TN)

Anyone have any thoughts in the diameters and line types that I've suggested? Am I way off?

Craig

craigtoo · #36 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

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Originally Posted by sailingdog

LOL... I can understand if needing a two-to-one purchase for an outhaul if you're not using a winch or have a really small winch.

What kind of sails did you get???

North Sails! WOoo Hoooo.. They are Family friends and such so we get everything from them. I really like the fact that the sailmakers hang out with you on your boat for an afternoon taking measurements and (drink your beer) getting to know exactly what you want to get out of your sails...
wanna read something funny? Here's the initial note I wrote the guys down at the Annapolis loft... They are totally the best...

>>>>>>>FORWARDED TEXT>>>>>>>>>

Hello Will...

This is Craig Xxxxxxxx

I've been lucky enough to purchase my own boat.

Poor girl needs some new sails.

Now, this is extremely difficult for me. But I need to just come out and face it.

My new boat .. .well.. it has a Furling Foresail. Oh my God. Ok.. I said it .. there it is.. I am a Roller Furler guy.

Please don't tell my friends.

Also *gasp* it has a Shoal keel / centerboard...Holy crap. I'm only 34. I'm *so* going to lie my ass off to hot chicks that may come aboard. "Full Keel Baby!... Don't let the Roller Furler throw ya...."

I won't even go into the Fresh-water pump....or the millions of gallons of Freshwater it will hold. Not to mention the GIANT diesel engine.. Like 27 HP...Westerbeke. Geesh.

Should I just retire now? I'm so ashamed.
Anyway.

If you could.. Very discretely give me a quote for:

1987 Sabre 34 Mark II
Number 2: 135 ish Roller Furler (Harken Mark I)
Mainsail: (at least put a kinda cool Roach on the thing so I can save some pride...)
Please quote adding the New Sabre Logo to the Main.

It's all stock.. You probably have all the dimensions in a Database somewhere.. But I'll be up at the Boat tomorrow night and will be able to forward you any specifics you may need...

I don't want to go fast. I don't want to go far. I'll just be bouncing around the Chesapeake from Happy Hour to Happy Hour at different Marina's. But I would like some longevity (minimum 5 years)... It won't be raced... no PHRF requirements...

When quoting this sail.. you need to ask yourself... "How will this sail help Craig meet girls and drink more beer?"

That's your motivation.

All the very best,

Craig

<<<<<<<<<<< END FORWARDED TEXT<<<<<<<

Thought that was pretty funny... we've all had a great laugh... Of course he came out and hungout on the boat for an afternoon or so... got all the measurements just for *my* boat and we were able to really dial in something that makes sense just for me! How awesome is that..? (It could be pretty standard... but I'm happy!)

Craig

sailingdog · #37 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

As for the lines you've listed...

Traveler line?? why 1/2" that's awfully heavy for a traveler control line. Should be 5/16" or so... not 1/2"

I'd switch to an all-line halyards... 3/8" T-900 will give about the same stretch as wire, reduce weight aloft and be easier on the boat. Might have to replace the masthead sheaves though.

I'd use 3/8" line for the boom vang as well.

Freesail99 · #38 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

Quote:

When quoting this sail.. you need to ask yourself... "How will this sail help Craig meet girls and drink more beer?"

That's your motivation.

I have to remember that line and use it some how, some way before I die. I love it..

sailingdog · #39 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

Free-

You find wisdom in the strangest places...

craigtoo · #40 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008

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Originally Posted by sailingdog

As for the lines you've listed...

Traveler line?? why 1/2" that's awfully heavy for a traveler control line. Should be 5/16" or so... not 1/2"

I'd switch to an all-line halyards... 3/8" T-900 will give about the same stretch as wire, reduce weight aloft and be easier on the boat. Might have to replace the masthead sheave though.

I'd use 3/8" line for the boom vang as well.

Well.. I went 1/2 because it's always in the hand.. constantly being adjusted... larger diameter is easier on the hand... but that also drives up the cost of the hardware... I don't think I'll go below 7/16 on that one...

T-900 for halyards is a good idea.. I think My sheaves will take wire or the T-900 but that's nothing a trip up the mast can't confirm. I do like the idea of no wire... thanks... 3/8'ths too.. that's nice for super low stretch.

craig