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I have a Catalina 27 that was tricked out for racing before I took ownership of her. I do have the solid vang and have to say I love it. With the topping lift and a full batten main you could snag the battens on it.
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SD is correct, I had to use mine a couple of times when main halyard jammed on top. That would also give you more confidence to put on your hammock
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OK.. So, I just spent the big bucks on my new Garhauer rigid vang on my Catalina30. I'm getting ready to take off my topping lift, but now you guys are making me question that.

The topping lift flaps around and catches on things, so, I THINK I want to get rid of it.

My rigid vang bottoms out if it goes much below horizontal, so I don't quite understand why I would need the topping lift to support the boom when I am reefing. I would think that the rigid vang would hold the boom (and me) up nicely.

On the Catalina 30 forum, someone said that you'd want to keep the topping lift to keep the boom centered, which makes even less sense to me.

I'm thoroughly confused. Please educate me.

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Why not lead the topping lift forward and secure it at the base of the mast instead. Then it'll be available when you need it, but not flapping around on you.

BTW, most rigid vangs clearly state they should not be used to support the boom on a normal basis, and that if the boom is being stored for a long period of time, a topping lift should be used.
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OK.. So, I just spent the big bucks on my new Garhauer rigid vang on my Catalina30. I'm getting ready to take off my topping lift, but now you guys are making me question that.

The topping lift flaps around and catches on things, so, I THINK I want to get rid of it.

My rigid vang bottoms out if it goes much below horizontal, so I don't quite understand why I would need the topping lift to support the boom when I am reefing. I would think that the rigid vang would hold the boom (and me) up nicely.

On the Catalina 30 forum, someone said that you'd want to keep the topping lift to keep the boom centered, which makes even less sense to me.

I'm thoroughly confused. Please educate me.

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The "topping lift" that keeps the boom centered is the type that consists of a short pennant that usually has a spring clip on the bottom and is Nico-pressed to the backstay.

The benefits of having a topping lift have been addressed already, it can serve as a spare halyard and can even haul a flag aloft when sailing or dressing the ship.

As SD says, a topping lift can be rigged so that it can be unshackled from the end of the boom and brought forward when sailing to prevent hanging up on the battens.
Some systems wouldn't lend themselves to that very well like the ones that run through the boom. However, I think the OP was in a situation where he has none and can set it up anyway he wants.

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Steve:

OK.. I get it. I've had topping lifts that were attached to the backstay that certainly did help keep the boom centered.

Not this one. As you suspected, It's a wire from the masthead, that goes through a block on the end of the boom, attaches to a line, and travels forward to a cleat. You adjust the height there. Not much use as a spare halyard!

I actually have an extra sheeve at the mast that I could use and make a "real" topping lift/spare main halyard/flag halyard.

I'll muddle this over this a bit, I think.

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Also note these fine people are speaking of a running topping lift, not a fixed one. I've a fixed wire from the masthead to the boom end (with a 2 ft adjustable loop line on the boom end) as my topping lift. I've seen many people use their main halyard as a topping lift while not sailing.

I just installed a boomkicker because my new, full batten, roachy main hangs on the wire topping lift. My next trip up the mast will be to remove the wire and to rig a spare 'running' halyard for the many reasons others have suggested.

I love the boomkicker! Cheap (compared to rigid) and really a breeze to install.
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WOW, thanks for the input. I agree with Tony, I can use my main halyard if needed as a lift if stored for long periods. Also, I am installing a furler and should have an additional halyard that will not be used other than a drifter or spinnaker. I saw that breakingwind said if I want to use a spinnaker to go with a topping lift. I assume that he was referring to using the lift for the spinnaker, but I am not sure. Is that correct?
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WOW, thanks for the input. I agree with Tony, I can use my main halyard if needed as a lift if stored for long periods. Also, I am installing a furler and should have an additional halyard that will not be used other than a drifter or spinnaker. I saw that breakingwind said if I want to use a spinnaker to go with a topping lift. I assume that he was referring to using the lift for the spinnaker, but I am not sure. Is that correct?

I am not sure what Breakingwind meant by that. Perhaps he was thinking about a pole topping lift.
You certainly wouldn't want to use a topping lift or any other halyard exiting the aft side of the mast for a spinnaker halyard.
Your new furler must be a CDI or another brand with an internal halyard. Most furlers still require the use of the headsail halyard.
You may want to rethink using a regular halyard for a spinnaker. A proper spinnaker halyard will be forward, (above) the headstay. If you use a regular halyard for a spinnaker it will chafe on the headstay on one tack or the other unless you reset it each time. Thats why most spin halyards run through a block hanging from a bail at the masthead.

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Not to drag this off-topic, but...

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You may want to rethink using a regular halyard for a spinnaker. A proper spinnaker halyard will be forward, (above) the headstay. If you use a regular halyard for a spinnaker it will chafe on the headstay on one tack or the other unless you reset it each time. Thats why most spin halyards run through a block hanging from a bail at the masthead.
The things you learn here . I'd been wondering why our spinnaker halyard was rigged so differently from the two jib halyards, and now I know. In retrospect: It's obvious.

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