Harken Deck Organizers

[mangomadness]

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Why are the ESP models of harken deck organizers cheaper than the standard harken models (50%) yet they are stronger, lighter, and more appealing to the eye?

Harken website lists ESP's as cruising, yet their breaking strength is higher?

Does anyone know anything about these organizers?

Harken ESP Deck Organizer 3-Sheave 1 1/2 in. Diameter: Mauri Pro Sailing

Harken Midrange Deck Organizer 3-Sheave 2 in. Diameter: Mauri Pro Sailing

[blt2ski]

I have the small ones on my boat, I like them. In fact, I have another 4 sheave hopefully at WM right now. I like them as you can stack them. I will have a double quad/port and triple to starboard. They do get reduced 50'ish % when doubled for the top ones, 100 for the bottom ones.

Marty

[Stillraining]

the spendy one is for 5/8 line not 1/2...specks dont make sense though.

[sailingdog]

A lot of Harken gear is that way... for instance, look at some of their blocks... in some cases the smaller blocks will have a higher SWL than larger ones.

BTW, I just installed two ESP deck organizers on my boat.

[labatt]

I've got the ESP organizers on my Passport and they seem to work well. I also have some of their ESP blocks and some of their midrange blocks. I can say there is no comparison from a weight/build perspective. The midrange blocks are much beefier. I can only assume the same for the organizers. On the other hand, according to the specs...

[mangomadness]

Does anyone race with these organizers?

[mangomadness]

Here's the email I received when I asked Mauri the same question.

Dear Robert,

Thank you for contacting Mauri Pro Sailing.

You are right, the ESP is stronger, easier to double stack and probably better looking than the mid range standard deck organizers. They are a latter design than the Midrange. For a J/30 will work perfectly. Here is the link to see them on line:

HAR6055

Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help you.

Regards,

Rod Favela
Mauri Pro Sailing
Your direct access to sailing solutions.

[catamount]

Originally Posted by mangomadness

Why are the ESP models of harken deck organizers cheaper than the standard harken models (50%) yet they are stronger, lighter, ... ?

The standard models use ball-bearing sheaves, while the ESP range (deck organizers and blocks) use plain, axle bearings. Thus the ESP stuff might have more friction than the ball-bearing stuff, but might also be better suited for high "static" loads.

FWIW, I am using ESP blocks at my mast base, and ESP deck organizers.

[sailingdog]

Catamount-

The ESP organizers I have clearly have ball bearings of some sort visible through the cutouts in the aluminum.

[catamount]

SD, yeah now that you mention it I recall that my ESP organizers have some ball bearings of some sort, too. I wonder, though, if those are for side loads, with just a plain bearing for the axle? The Harken catalog describes the ESP blocks as having a plain bearing:

Cruising ESP (Elegant Simple Products) is a line of hardware that complements our existing blocks in looks and function, but is simpler in design and construction. Sheaves feature axle bearings to handle high static loads, and are ideal for halyards or limited purchase systems on cruising boats.