Grampian 23 Question

[rlongfield]

Hello,

I have a line on a Grampian 23 but it is missing a few things, first the boom, second the sails and third a trailer or cradle.

How hard is to find a replacement boom and sails? The boat is a pretty good price but I don't want a boat that is going to cost me more for sails and boom then one that had these items included.

A rough guess on cost is fine.

Thanks,
-Rob

[sailingdog]

IMHO, you're much better off getting a boat that has the sails, boom and trailer, even if it is a bit more money. For instance, a friend of mine just bought a O'Day Javelin daysailer. It came with the full rig, sails and trailer. She paid about $150 more than another Javelin, without the trailer or sails and the trailer alone would have cost at least $250 to purchase separately.

[rlongfield]

Originally Posted by sailingdog

IMHO, you're much better off getting a boat that has the sails, boom and trailer, even if it is a bit more money. For instance, a friend of mine just bought a O'Day Javelin daysailer. It came with the full rig, sails and trailer. She paid about $150 more than another Javelin, without the trailer or sails and the trailer alone would have cost at least $250 to purchase separately.

That's my fear is that these three items may cost me more than a fully rigged boat and a lot more time as a try to find sails and a boom for a boat no longer in production and that saw a very limited run.

[killarney_sailor]

If the boat is free (or close) it might be worth it, but there are lots of very inexpensive boats in this size range. Also the G23 does offer good accomodation for its size but it really does not sail that well.

To give you an idea of costs, I looked at the Bacon Sails website and they had a suitable main for $150 and a number of jibs from $150 to $300+. You would not need to find a G23 boom, just one that had a compatible gooseneck - for example, I would suspect that G26 ones would be similar

[parttimesailor]

Originally Posted by rlongfield

Hello,

I have a line on a Grampian 23 but it is missing a few things, first the boom, second the sails and third a trailer or cradle.

How hard is to find a replacement boom and sails? The boat is a pretty good price but I don't want a boat that is going to cost me more for sails and boom then one that had these items included.

A rough guess on cost is fine.

Thanks,
-Rob

Even recreational sails are going to run $400 - $600 ea. for this size boat if they are similar to quotes I have gotten for a MacGregor 22.

[bubb2]

I have been on a old Grampians. gate valves used as sea cocks, no holding tanks, there is more to worry about then just the missing sails.

[grampian230]

Originally Posted by bubb2

I have been on a old Grampians. gate valves used as sea cocks, no holding tanks, there is more to worry about then just the missing sails.

hmmm, that would depend on how you're intending to use the boat. I don't know of many 23' boats with holding tanks, and I need the flexibility of taking the portapotti ashore to an outhouse where there are no pumpouts.

a properly maintained gate valve works fine. if it's a huge concern, replacing it isn't that big a deal.

I find my G23 sails very well except in very light air. I don't race, but in decent wind it's faster than other Tanzer 22's I've encountered, and I've beat much larger boats upwind that were being sailed inefficiently. It sure doesn't look like a fast boat with those squarish aft sections, but it seems to work. We bought the boat to cruise with our two kids and were looking for the biggest bang for the buck. 4 years later I still can't find a better alternative, certainly in that size range.

I have recored some of the deck and need to do more. This is probably a given if you buy one of these boats.

It will be difficult to buy a used mainsail for this boat; I just got a new one for ~900$cdn. If you have scrounging skills, the boom shouldn't be a big deal.

The cockpit is small. The tradeoff is that it has much more cabin space than alot of boats in this size range.

Trailer launching is a pain. This is partly because I have a crappy trailer, but it will never compete with a MacGregor for trailering ease.

I'm not saying the boat is perfect, but this boat does have alot of good features that I couldn't get/afford on another boat.

[jimq26]

Model

Yes - they are a well built vessel, no question.
Pricing is ranging between $2300 to $5000 for G-23's in pretty good condition.

Klacko Spars did all the original Grampian, C&C, etc masts & booms. Here's their link - Klacko Spars - Home