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countrybumpkin 09-06-2008 06:58 PM

Trying to get an older Universal diesel running...experience appreciated!
 
I bougt a Cal 2-27 that has a 11-12hp? Universal diesel. It looks to be in great shape. The PO had is running 2 years ago right after he bought it. He said the mechanic had it on a travel lift and fired it up with a garden hose for cooling. He got it running but then i bogged down and choked. They hypothesized that old cruddy fuel clogged the injectors. The PO didn't want to wait for a fix so he bought a 5hp Merc and a motor mount in the meantime. I want to go back to using the inboard diesel. I am very mechanically inclined and want to do the work myself, but never did any work on a deisel. Does anyone have any advice on where to start? I don't want to pull the engine if I don't have to mess with the exhaust, cooling system, transmission, and linkages.

This isn't my engine, but it is of the same breed:11hp sailboat engine, Universal diesel 5411

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bond-o (Post 1830422)
Ayuh,...

While I have No Idea what your motor Is,...
I wrench on Diesels,.... Daily.....

Just like any other motor that you thnk might possibly be starving for Fuel,..

Start with the Fuel Filter,... Is fuel present,..?? Is it Dirty,..?? Change the filter anyways,...

Is fuel moving from the tank to the injection pump by the primary fuel pump,..??
Crack the fuel line where it enters the Injection Pump,... You should have leaking fuel while turnng the motor over...

If So,...
Crack the 1st injector line at the 1st injector,... You should get a Spray of fuel...
Move on to each injector line at each injector...
The motor should be Running, maybe Rough, but running before you get to far...

Oil Changes,+ Compression tests aside,......;)

Good Luck,....
Oh,.. Btw,.. A picture of the Motor instead of a Similar boat would be Nice,.......


Quote:

Originally Posted by Bond-o (Post 1830422)
Good Luck,....
Oh,.. Btw,.. A picture of the Motor instead of a Similar boat would be Nice,.......

Went out and took a good look today. When I bought this boat six months ago I never thought the diesel would ever run again. I was content with the 5hp Merc pushing her in and out of the marina. But man, leaning over the transom to control the motor sucks. I sail on a landlocked lake in moderate conditions so I was okay with the OB, this was a similar setup I used on prior sailboats. I remembered the PO said he had the diesel running, and that he also spent over 900 bucks on a new prop shaft. He got frustrated when he couldn't get a mechanic to get the motor in shape so he shortcut with the OB.

Okay this is what I found today:

This is the boat in question:

1979 Cal 2-27, located on J Percy Preist Lake, Nashille, TN:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...b/DSCF1340.jpg




Front view of the engine:

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...b/DSCF1311.jpg


trying to get the model number:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...b/DSCF1319.jpg

Instrument cluster, turning the key does get the gauges to jump, the light goes on, but when I turn the key to engage the starter is just draws more on the battery, also the same when I swith on the glow plug, the blower does not work at this time:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...b/DSCF1317.jpg

New prop shaft:
http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/d...b/DSCF1325.jpg




I haven't identified the model yet, but this may be it:

Universal M-15 Images and Specifications - Universal Diesel Engine Owners Manual - Marine Diesel Direct / Torresen Sailing Site

The other things I learned today:

There is no fuel tank. It has been removed.
I put a wrench on the lower pulley in the first engine picture and I can move it easily.
There was some major crap in the breather when I took it off.

Any advice on the model would be great!

Any advice on how to proceed would be great!

I'm thinking I need to:

Get the blower working.
Get the starter turning the engine.
Get the fuel system complete.
THEN: start Bondo's diagnostics he gave me a couple of days ago.

Thanks all!

Stillraining 09-06-2008 07:27 PM

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Yep sounds like you have several issues..

Go buy your self one of these..

about 10 to 20 bucks and it will add a year to your life in saved movements back and forth and also enable you to do what sometimes requires two people.

For now this will also bypass possible problems with your ignition switch just from it sitting so long.
Now hook it up to your starter solenoid and you will be able to engage your starter in the engine compartment.
Does it role over now? If not.. check all batteries and battrie cable connections first ( are your bats good and charged? ) if thats not it then the starter or solenoid needs rebuilt/replaced.

If it rolls over ( Nice and quickly not sluggishly ) you are ready for the above posted procedures..you can get your self a 1 gal plastic fuel jug just for the fire off ( stick the fuel intake line of mechanical lift pump into it, it should not have to be gravity fed ) but obviously you will want to re-install some sort of permanent fuel tank arrangement..

Be sure no critter's have made a nest in the intake befor rolling her over you dont want to suck up a bunch of pine needles or insulation in your motor ( older boat diesels genrally do not have air filters )

sailingdog 09-06-2008 07:34 PM

One thing... DON'T FORGET TO PUT THE FUEL RETURN LINE in the jug too... or you're going to have a mess in the bilge...

Stillraining 09-06-2008 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingdog (Post 364505)
One thing... DON'T FORGET TO PUT THE FUEL RETURN LINE in the jug too... or you're going to have a mess in the bilge...

Thanks Dog..Minor detail I omitted..:p

This is why Im not a teacher or a Preacher.:)

LittleMissMagic 09-06-2008 10:10 PM

I just can't help but wonder why someone would buy an outboard instead of fixing the diesel. IMHO I hate outboards!

davidpm 09-07-2008 12:19 AM

If you are going to crank the engine while trying to figure out why it will not start be sure to shut off the raw water intake and drain the muffler.
If you crank it for more than about 15 sec without it starting you start to risk sucking water into the cylinders which can ruin your engine.

When it starts make sure you open the raw water valve. You have about 30 seconds before the engine overheats.
Don't know if you are a book guy but Marine Diesel Engines by Calder is pretty good.

I'm about 30 days ahead of you and diesel's seem pretty tough but there are things you can do to really toast one up. Probably should read up.

RXBOT 09-07-2008 01:42 AM

30 seconds ???
 
Sorry I do not believe any engine will overheat in 30 seconds after starting, 5- 10 minutes is plausible.

sander06 09-07-2008 05:47 AM

Just as an FYI, while the engine won't overheat within 30 seconds without the cooling water flow, the rubber impeller blades on the cooling water intake pump might take a beating, although I'm not at all sure how long the intake pump can go without melting down.

The one thing you have going for you are that diesel engines are extremely simple requiring only clean air and fuel with a little lubrication and they'll run!

Good luck with your project and feel free to use profanity while working on the engine. Diesels run much better being yelled at. I think they like the attention!!

Steve

countrybumpkin 09-07-2008 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stillraining (Post 364502)
Yep sounds like you have several issues..

Go buy your self one of these..

about 10 to 20 bucks and it will add a year to your life in saved movements back and forth and also enable you to do what sometimes requires two people.

For now this will also bypass possible problems with your ignition switch just from it sitting so long.
Now hook it up to your starter solenoid and you will be able to engage your starter in the engine compartment.
Does it role over now? If not.. check all batteries and battrie cable connections first ( are your bats good and charged? ) if thats not it then the starter or solenoid needs rebuilt/replaced.

If it rolls over ( Nice and quickly not sluggishly ) you are ready for the above posted procedures..you can get your self a 1 gal plastic fuel jug just for the fire off ( stick the fuel intake line of mechanical lift pump into it, it should not have to be gravity fed ) but obviously you will want to re-install some sort of permanent fuel tank arrangement..

Be sure no critter's have made a nest in the intake befor rolling her over you dont want to suck up a bunch of pine needles or insulation in your motor ( older boat diesels genrally do not have air filters )


Thanks. Great simple advice. I probably would have used a screwdriver to jump the solenoid!

I think the platform for the fuel tank is above and behind the engine, so it will be able to gravity feed if need be.

Look forward to tackling this project this fall.



CB

countrybumpkin 09-07-2008 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidpm (Post 364592)
Don't know if you are a book guy but Marine Diesel Engines by Calder is pretty good.

I'm about 30 days ahead of you and diesel's seem pretty tough but there are things you can do to really toast one up. Probably should read up.

Thanks for the book tip. Just found and ordered it on Half.com for about 20 bucks.

Let me know what you run into as you get your motor back in shape.

This forum is great.............


CB


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