Interal halyards

[kd5bvq]

I internalized my halyards on a Endeavour37. Biggest problem I saw with external halyards is if you lose one at sea, it goes to the top and there you are.
I actually was able to use the 4 masthead pullys for double main and double jib internal halyards. They exit about 6 feet or so above the deck through an "exit plate". You need to stagger the exit plates so that the slots in the mast do not line up to weaken the mast. I had my mast pulled and the work done by a professional rigger. I use clutches on each line so I can use the winches with either halyard on each side. The extra is great for backup such as when going aloft or in case one breaks, a spare is ready.

[ericroline]

The complexity of the process depends on the mast section and the halyard sheave. On a 9.2 the internal halyard exits through a slot and is fed through a turning block that fastens to the base of the mast. These can be found from Kenyon :Halyard Turning Block Assembly: K-10865:
This allows for an easy line lead to the cabin top turning block(s) that will lead to winch, or line clutch.I single hand and race single handing. The only disadvantage is all of the cordage on the cabin top.

[cptnj2ds]

You haven't mentioned why you want to install internal halliards. Personally, I wouldn't do it. I've had a number of keelers - from 9 to 15 metres - only one of which had internal halliards. That one [13m cutter] needed more vigilance over and maintenance of the rig than the others. Once a spinnaker halliard got 'sun poisoning' in just over a year, and snapped at the mast-head the next time it was used - reeving a new one was a real mission. (Argument for carrying a trained rat in the crew?)
The running rigging on the gaff schooner I owned [or did it own me?] for a decade looked fierce, but it was all out where I could see it, maintain it, and get to it if anything did go wrong.
One of the Massed Bands of My Brothers-In-Law runs a Bavaria38 with the halliards run to the cockpit. It needs a lot of work to keep the cockpit from becoming a spaghetti factory under normal circumstances, and if a sail needs raising or lowering at night in a hurry - instant rat's nest!
Summing up, I'd put it thus;

• The reduction in windage is more visual than real. Unless you're a hot racer or have a free-standing, full or semi-rotating airfoil mast, the gains are hardly worth it.
• Particularly if the lower sheaves are in the mast rather than on the step, compression strain on the mast is increased.
• Unnecessary complexity is added. The fewer twists and turns the line has to make going from sail to winch [or cleat], the lower the chances of something going wrong. Remember the KISS principle.
• The convenience and [theoretical] safety of working in the cocpit don't really outweigh the possible risk of going forward to the mast. Wear your harness, fit bum-bars if the boat's big enough.
• If you're worried about an external halliard getting loose and going to the masthead, consider an internal one going up to the masthead, through the sheave hole, and down into the mast. Happened to a friend of mine.
• Leave sailing under shelter to the junk-rig and wing-sail boys.

[rvrdgn]

I moved my main sheet to a cockpit winch from the mast winch by installing a swivel block at the base of the mast. I mounted the block to the cabin deck with a backing plate and then ran the main sheet through a rope clutch to the winch mounted on the cabin deck as close to the cockpit as possible. I can now raise and lower my main from the cockpit. I installed lazy-jacks so the sail wouldn't flap around. As a single handed sailor all of my lines run into the cockpit. I try to avoid going on deck as much as possible.
RiverDragon

[alaskaboy]

This is not regarding internal halliards but it discusses deck layouts and shows a diagram. It comes from a Sailnet article by Sue and Larry who have contributed about 200 articles to Sailnet. This is their layout back to the midship cockpit on their Formosa 46 Serengeti. They also have a completely enclosed hard fiberglass dodger. Their articles are great. I’m going to ‘copy’ their layout and hard dodger on my Formosa 46 because of the adverse weather we sometimes have here in Alaska at the beginning and end of the season. It will make the cold weather more tolerable but it seems I'm years away yet from getting to that point of a hard dodger.

http://www.sailnet.com/forums/gear-m...lines-aft.html

[J36ZT]

Alaskaboy,

You'd get more responses if:

1) You didn't make a response in an old thread
2) You stuck to the subject of the thread

You're much better off just starting a new thread.

I'm not trying to cause you any headaches, just trying to get you a faster response to your questions. I'm probably the biggest offender of violating the "Sailnet rules" and getting off of the subject.

Sorry...

Skipper, J/36 "Zero Tolerance"